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"Zaporozhye Oblast" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Mykhailo Hrushevsky

An IP seems to have slanted, if not vandalized, the Mykhailo Hrushevsky article with a very strong anti-ukrainian POV a few weeks ago without it being noticed it seems (adding "fictional" to descriptions of his historical writing for instance). As there have been other seemingly useful revisions since then I haven't reverted, haven't edited on en.wiki in a long while so not sure what to do, hope someone here can help. Thanks! Susuman77 (talk) 22:48, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Reverted it along with other questionable edits they had made, put the article on your watch list if you care, since evidently there is not much attention if fairly obvious POV pushing gets through. TylerBurden (talk) 19:24, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Mezhyhirya Monastery

Mezhyhirya Monastery has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. NLeeuw (talk) 13:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

New settlement type

So I've initially raised this concern in the Krasna Hora talk page, but I guess this is a more appropriate place to ask about it as it potentially impacts hundreds of articles. I've just checked a similar discussion from 30 November 2023 and the classification changes still seemed inconclusive back then (no change in practice). Therefore, I'll quote my original concern:

@Ykvach: Do you have proof/evidence that Krasna Hora would now be considered a "rural settlement" and not a "village"? Because from what I understood from the new, late 2023, law is that a settlement with less than 5k people would become a village. By the way, did any specific change even become official? Because it's one thing to approve a new principle, it's another to implement it in reality. We should at least have a total number of villages and rural settlements under this new classification. Otherwise this would seem like WP:OR, sadly.

Alternativelly, is it too early to make such massive changes throughout Wikipedia? Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 21:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@Ymblanter: You've justified your edits with this before, but that still seems like WP:OR because the new classifications depend on population and structure of the settlement. The appropriate Ukrainian ministry/body should do this reclassification, not us. We should not interpret laws and make such large scale decisions from them. Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 02:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

The fact is there are no urban-type settlements in Ukraine anymore. If the government makes more subtle classification, for example, upgrades some to cities, we will upgrade the articles. We recently had a long discussion about it, with a few participants, but I do not remember where it was. Ymblanter (talk) 05:22, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm still split on this... I would greatly appreciate if you linked the previous discussion. Do you remember at least if it was in this project space or a random settlement talk page? Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 05:54, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I guess it was on one of the more general talk pages, Populated places in Ukraine or smth similar. Ymblanter (talk) 21:23, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Furthermore, if you guys are making interim decisions, why not already adopt the 5k people village-settlement threshold? Or at least word the change as an implication instead of an official fact? Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 06:13, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

If there is a law in force about 5k I will be happy to update the articles. Ymblanter (talk) 21:22, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean? It's literally stated in Populated places in Ukraine#Rural populated places. Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 21:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I would like to see some sources that this has been implemented. Ukraine is infamous for not complying with their own laws at all levels. Ymblanter (talk) 06:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

xD Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 15:34, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I am not sure why you called this an interim decision. A law entered in force, and there are sources which describe the implementation. Ymblanter (talk) 21:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Interim because the official classification will likely have quite a few differences. Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 21:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of List of Americans killed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine for deletion

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