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This is the discussion page of Tambayan Philippines, where Filipino contributors and contributors to Philippine-related articles discuss general matters regarding the development of Philippine-related articles as well as broad topics on the Philippines with respect to Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. Likewise, this talk page also serves as the regional notice board for Wikipedia concerns regarding the Philippines, enabling other contributors to request input from Filipino Wikipedians.

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Auxiliary Bishop

Need consensus on whether the appointment of Father Reynaldo Bersabal as new auxiliary bishop in California merits inclusion into 2024 in the Philippines. I do not want to insert this and get reverted at the same time that our favorite Sock is back ruining the page.

For reference: https://www.rappler.com/philippines/pope-francis-names-reynaldo-bersabal-auxiliary-bishop-sacramento/

Borgenland (talk) 14:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

No, I don't think so. It is an affair within the global Catholic Church as an organization and is barely a milestone - "fifth bishop". Its no different if a Filipino citizen gets to become a CEO of a Fortune company in America. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 15:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Radio in the Philippines needs expansion

In its current state, the article about radio in the Philippines has been little more than a stub-ish article in stark contrast to the like of Radio in the United States. Lot of it is history, but no other details such as broadcast services, formats and prevalence. Notably, a discussion about the common "masa" (aka "contemporary MOR") format is missing. I think the section about acts of violence against radio broadcasters seems to repeat only info covered at list of journalists killed in the Philippines and rather undue. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 05:49, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Just expanded the article, but would leave most further additions and sourcing to anyone interested. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 07:55, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

• I don't think I have the skills to expand it, but I would imagine a lot can be done. I have learned in the 6 months of living here that radio in PH is a very different thing than radio in the US. More wild west, more radio drama (zero in the US now), and less "bland" and corporate-ized than American radio, where most of the stations are owned by conglomerates that focus more on radio being an advertising platform rather than producing unique content. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 06:47, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:November 2023 Mindanao earthquake#Requested move 4 April 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:November 2023 Mindanao earthquake#Requested move 4 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. HueMan1 (talk) 23:44, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Shenanigans in Isulan

It appears that an editor has been tampering with the demographic statistics of Isulan and inventing numbers not supported by the 2020 national census, which is used by every competent editor on Philippines-related topics. It also appears that they have been censoring important parts of the town's history on false pretenses and wiping off references to its indigenous origins in favor of Hiligaynon culture. That the user proceeded twice to blank a whole section despite being warned and falsely claim that the facts were false despite it being well-sourced does not inspire confidence on me issuing a second warning on their talk page. Need help on what steps should be taken to protect the page short of raising an ANI or requesting a PP increase. Borgenland (talk) 16:09, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

• I will try to keep an eye on that, ping me if needed. Hopefully it was a one off problem and not a pattern. I did leave a more blunt message on their user page. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 06:44, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Billboard PH charts before 2017?

Just found this from one article about one Connie Francis song ("Wishing It Was You"), looks like Billboard had Philippine charts before the now-defunct Philippines Hot 100 and the existing Philippine Songs. Not sure about its last publication. If that stretched up to Billboard Philippines Hot 100 launch, good news; we might be able to craft out a list of number-one singles in PH from the 50s/60s to present (we currently don't have one yet aside from those covered as sections of the respective charts' pages). TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 06:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok, maybe there are several from the 1960s. But I highly doubt we would find a PH chart for the other decades, especially the 2010s. They just didn't have the rights for it. All we have are radio, and MTV, and Myx. Unfortunately, those won't be accepted. D-Flo27 (talk) 12:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Pisay

I recently made a major copy edit to the movie Pisay (film), which is about the school I went in high school, but in a different campus from the film and expanded on its related links. Does that qualify as a COI and if so, where can I find the proper disclosure template and a userbox if there is one? Borgenland (talk) 09:22, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@Borgenland: Editing the film article should be fine, unless you were involved in the production of the film. In any case, should you wish to declare a possible conflict of interest anyway (or for future reference): {{Connected contributor}}, which goes on the talk page, and {{User COI}} for a userpage userbox (though this is optional, see WP:DCOI for more info). Chlod (say hi!) 09:25, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

It's a pretty mild COI, so the goal would be to make sure you don't edit in a way that advocates the organization. This type of COI is pretty common. Since you don't have an ongoing link or financial link to the organization, a template declaring the conflict isn't really necessary. If you want to put a simple statement on your user page that says you went there, that's fine. I think people are more concerned that you keep all edits neutral. If you go in and make a bunch of major edits to it or rewrite half the article, then it would probably be wise to have someone look at it afterwards. You can ask for that here. Farmer Brown - 2¢ (alt: Dennis Brown) 23:40, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

It was a trim to an excessive plot plus the inclusion of a production section. For transparency though, I was just nine years old when the film was made and watched the film aged 17, years after I missed a mandatory screening of it in high school due to illness. Borgenland (talk) 04:45, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/Roster

I noticed several indef blocked users, including CU blocked users in the list. Would anyone mind if I trimmed the list to exclude anyone who obviously doesn't belong? I wouldn't remove anyone short term blocked, just the ones without a chance of coming back. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 07:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Canada/Members has a subsection "Blocked users" under its "Former members" section. Maybe we could do that if it does not sound too cruel? Sanglahi86 (talk) 07:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Honestly, I wouldn't want that. If they are indef blocked for sockpuppeting or community banned (de facto or de jure), we just need to remove them. Putting them in a list of "blocked editors" just brings more attention to them, unwanted attention, and isn't fair to them. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 07:41, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree. I have no strong objections if they are removed. Although I was thinking it would be better to just place them in the Former members section instead of removing them as some blocked users may have contributed much prior to being blocked, whatever the reason. Sanglahi86 (talk) 08:46, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Putting them in former might be a better idea. I just like the current members to reflect the actual active members. If I could get a bot to look at who is really active, I might even /msg members who haven't contributed to Filipino articles in over a year, maybe getting them interested again. The goal (in my eyes) is to have a real number of people who edit Filipino articles at least once a year. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 09:17, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Articles at AFD that are within the scope of this Project

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alyansa Bantay Kapayapaan at Demokrasya
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcos loyalist rallies

You are welcome to participate. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 09:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Artworks

What are the rules for posting images of artworks and other items from museums and galleries in the Philippines here? I have this nasty habit of taking pictures of everything on display but with that thing over the freedom of panorama issue months ago I would like to make sure. If there is a specific work you would like to find feel free to approach.

For reference I have the following images of museums across the country which I have stored in my Facebook account:

• Ayala Museum: 857
• National Museum of Anthropology (Manila): 496
• National Museum of Fine Arts (Manila): 1,608
• Ateneo Art Gallery: 1,167
• Vargas Museum: 655
• Cagayan Provincial Museum: 114
• Metropolitan Museum of Manila: 186
• Yuchengco Museum: 229
• UST Museum: 602
• San Agustin Church Museum: 796
• Presidential Car Museum: 152
• Quezon Memorial Shrine and House: 213
• Bantayog ng mga Bayani: 146
• Libingan ng mga Bayani: 49 (includes some VIPs)
• Las Casas Filipinas de Acuzar: 220
• An untallied collection from Rizal Shrine (Intramuros), Malacañang of the North, the Ferdinand E. Marcos Presidential Center in Batac, the Floro Crisologo house in Vigan and the National Museum in Vigan.

If anyone involved in overseas projects is also interested, I also have giant repositories of the following:

• Hong Kong Museum of History
• Hong Kong Museum of Art
• Hong Kong Maritime Museum
• Penrith Museum of Fire
• Art Gallery of New South Wales
• Australian National Maritime Museum
• Australian Museum
• Tasmanian Museum and Art Gallery
• Susannah Place
• Museum of Contemporary Art Australia
• National Palace Museum
• Jim Thompson House
• Nicholson Museum
• Sydney Jewish Museum
• Hokkaido Museum
• Historical Village of Hokkaido etc.

Borgenland (talk) 08:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

The rules are basically what the local copyright/FoP laws say, and specifically for artwork in the Philippines, then basic copyright rules apply since we don't have FoP (yet). The artwork has to be out-of-copyright before they can be posted to Wikimedia Commons but can be uploaded locally to Wikipedia as long as a valid WP:FAIRUSE rationale is added. There's no going around this: you need to research the copyright status of each piece of artwork. —seav (talk) 04:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Just read the copyright law. Many of the images I took were of too long dead authors over the 50 year statutes, especially the pre-colonial era and colonial era ones. What I am still uncertain is how the institutions in which they are kept has bearing on copyright, particularly works in state institutions (see anything with National, Provincial or Presidential) on it. Borgenland (talk) 06:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Article titles in Filipino

I remember past discussions here and/or on individual article talk pages about this. I'm raising it again here. Is there a project-level stance on this? If not, I think that there should be.

This edit to this talk page came up on my watchlist. The change there related to the Libingan ng mga Bayani article. Quoting the lead sentence of the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) guidline:

The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject that is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources (for example other encyclopedias and reference works, scholarly journals, and major news sources).

I emphasize here the words should generally use).

Please understand that the Filipino language is very much a minority language in the world, that this is the English language Wikipedia, that most Wikipedia users do not read Filipino, [..] (I cut that list short because the items I have mentioned are pretty obvious and have probably been mentioned on past discussions on this issue, along with numerous (and important, from the viewpoint of a reader not literate in the Filipino language -- i.e., the great majorigity of Wikipedia readerrs) similar unmentioned items).

Besides the Libingan ng mga Bayani article (see some searches for alternative English language titles at [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]), there's the Bantayog ng mga Bayani article (one English language alternative is Monument of Heroes -- see [6], etc.) and, probably, some others.

Please, project members, discuss this and come to a project-level stance on this. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:31, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

We can probably do an RFC here (could be this very thread). My position is that we should generally use the most common name as used by English-language reliable sources, with a bias on locally-produced sources. To give a few examples:

• Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Maynila: [7][8]
• Libingan ng mga Bayani: [9][10]
• Sangguniang Kabataan: [11][12]

Note that these names are proper names and so they don't have to be translated when used as article titles just because some sources have done so per WP:COMMONNAME. We use the most common name predominantly used by English-language sources and English-language sources in the Philippines predominantly use the Filipino-based proper names.

Furthermore, this is not an issue unique to the Philippines. Ireland, a predominantly English-using country (to the detriment of its native Irish language), have article titles in Irish even though some reliable sources have referred to the corresponding entities with their common English translations: Taoiseach (instead of "Prime Minister of Ireland"), Dáil Éireann (instead of "Assembly of Ireland", ), and Oireachtas (instead of "Parliament of Ireland"). If using "non-English" titles is good enough for Ireland, then it should be good enough for the Philippines. —seav (talk) 04:24, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Our policy is WP:USEENGLISH, or use thw name English language sources use. This means many non-English names will be used. We call the city by the in California "San Francisco" , not "Saint Francis".

I suppose English names may be used, and my personal standard is if it's used to the level that it is not astonishing for most people as the non-English name, like "Day of Valor" vs. "Araw ng Kagitingan" (even calendars now use the English name, for example). Libingan and Bantayog are almost never refered to its English names, and Pamantasan just barely so. Howard the Duck (talk) 05:58, 4 May 2024 (UTC)