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07:01, 2 June 2024 review of submission by মোঃ সবুজ বিশ্বাস

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How can I submission article?? মোঃ সবুজ বিশ্বাস (talk) 07:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can't, that's what rejection means. You have no sources whatsoever- and seem to be promoting this person. Please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 07:04, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

08:50, 2 June 2024 review of submission by Jickiebou6y6

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It’s a real person how can I publish this article? Jickiebou6y6 (talk) 08:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jickiebou6y6: we don't doubt that, but you need to a) show that the person is notable by satisfying either the WP:GNG or WP:ARTIST notability guidelines, and b) support the information with inline citations to reliable published sources (see WP:REFB). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

10:36, 2 June 2024 review of submission by Leo0502

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The article was rejected for three reasons:

- Links in article body - links are moved to <ref>.

- Opinion polling for next Turkish election is not a notable subject / too soon - pages for opinion polling are created as soon as polls are published, usually a few weeks after previous election. This was the case for Portugal, Spain, Poland, Slovakia, Netherlands, Denmark etc. Why is article for Turkey being held up? It's been a year since previous election, there were plenty of polls and similar article exists on Turkish Wikipedia.

- Twitter is not a reliable source - it is, if it's official twitter account of polling firm. Twitter sources were used in article about 2023 elections in Turkey - why is Twitter considered an unreliable source in this article? Leo0502 (talk) 10:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Leo0502: to be clear, the draft (not yet 'article') was declined (not 'rejected', which would mean the end of the road) for lack of evidence of notability; the other reasons were offered as additional comments.
If you disagree with that assessment, you're free to move this into the main article space yourself, as you have the necessary permissions. New page patrol will then assess it instead.
If it were me, I would try to find better sources for those Twitter cites, because they are throwing up red flags all over the place and prejudicing the draft unnecessarily. But it's not me, and you must do as you see fit. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The official Twitter account of the polling company probably does count as a reliable source, but not an independent one, and so does not contribute to establishing that the subject is notable in Wikipedia's sense. ColinFine (talk) 12:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

11:59, 2 June 2024 review of submission by Arqureashipk

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Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. Arqureashipk (talk) 11:59, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Arqureashipk: I'm sure it is. Did you have a question you wanted to ask? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Courtesy link: Draft:Dr. Qari Ikramullah Mohsin
@Arqureashipk: Your draft is both undersourced and hagiographic. We don't accept promotional text, and every claim the article makes that a reasonable person could challenge must be properly cited to a third-party reliable source that verifies it. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 15:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

12:25, 2 June 2024 review of submission by Leaschlatter

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Dear Team, I have trouble publishing this article about Massimo Filippini. I received the comments that there are not enough external sources, however, I do feel like there are a lot. Indeed, there are sources from the national Swiss radio (in French, German, and Italian), associations, and initiatives citing his great work as an economist. I would like to seek your help on this matter. Thank you in advance. Best, Lea Leaschlatter (talk) 12:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Leaschlatter: thank you for disclosing your connection, first of all.
The decline wasn't on the basis that there aren't enough sources cited, but rather that those sources aren't sufficient to establish notability per WP:GNG. Please note that when the subject is commenting on other matters does not contribute to this, even when done on reputable and reliable media. We would need to see significant coverage of him, rather than commetary by him.
That said, I actually feel like this person probably is notable via another route, namely the special WP:NACADEMIC guideline, given the Titularprofessor title, h-index of 55, etc.
You will, however, need to support the contents better, as there is some unreferenced information. Pretty much every material statement, anything potentially contentious, and any private personal and family details must be clearly supported by inline citations to reliable published sources. Anything which cannot be thus supported must be removed. (And you could just get rid of the entire 'Hobbies' section, which is not only unreferenced but also IMO not relevant.) HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for taking the time to clarify this, it was very helpful. I made some changes accordingly. Would you have any further comments before I submit the Draft:Massimo Filippini draft again? Thank you in advance. Leaschlatter (talk) 19:03, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

14:26, 2 June 2024 review of submission by Yusofsheikh

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ChatGPT I am requesting assistance because I need an article about Lottery Sambad. This article should be concise, around 200 words, and should highlight the key aspects of Lottery Sambad, such as its popularity, the frequency of draws, the impact on winners' lives, and the overall appeal of the lottery. The goal is to provide a brief yet informative overview that captures the essence of Lottery Sambad and its significance to participants. Yusofsheikh (talk) 14:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, @Yusofsheikh, I'm not ChatGPT, but I am here to tell you not to use ChatGPT to generate talk page messages any more than article or draft content. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Yusofsheikh: If you cannot read/write English competently enough to edit the English-language Wikipedia, then you need to work on the Wikipedia project for your mother tongue instead of using large-language models. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 15:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

15:20, 2 June 2024 review of submission by Noan Lowinen

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Why was my submission was declined Noan Lowinen (talk) 15:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Noan Lowinen: No sources, no article, no debate. The draft also doesn't give any indication as to why its subject is notable. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 15:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

16:27, 2 June 2024 review of submission by BalticSeal1209

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Can you clarify what I need to add? I have added the sources which were requested. One being a secondary source of the portfolio of the individual and the notable one being the actual LABOUR PARTY website. BalticSeal1209 (talk) 16:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely nothing there to suggest that the person is in any shape or form notable. Theroadislong (talk) 16:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is a statement from the person where he is a candidate to be imvolved in the National Policy Forum which is how the Labour Party policy is formulated. I would argue that such role is very notable and to be a candidate for that is impressive. BalticSeal1209 (talk) 16:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BalticSeal1209 What has this young activist done to be notable? Fails WP:BIO as presented 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 16:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He is a candidate for the NPF which means he could possibly become involved with the creation of Policy for the UK Labour Party.
Furthermore, he is an ambassador for the Borgen Project which is very impressive as that is an organisation working with governments across the world (mainly US and UK) to help tackle global poverty.
Therefore, being a political ambassador and possible policy maker for the current largest UK political party is very notable. BalticSeal1209 (talk) 16:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, I'm afraid not, unless he has received significant coverage in multiple independent, reliable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 16:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is a reliable source? Because if the Labour Party website is not reliable enough to prove his involvement in politics, then I do not know what does. BalticSeal1209 (talk) 17:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BalticSeal1209: In-depth, non-routine, independent-of-Wilkinson news/scholarly sources that discuss him at length, are written by identifiable authors, and subject to rigourous editorial oversight and fact-checking. Anything Labour says about him is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Also, while we do have specific notability criteria for politicians, it deliberately excludes candidates for public office. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 17:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @BalticSeal1209. In this case, only persons who meet our politician inclusion merit a Wikipedia article. Hayden does not meet any of the criteria there. He may do some day! But not today.
Can I ask what your relationship to Hayden is? Qcne (talk) 17:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

19:50, 2 June 2024 review of submission by Rockkeeper

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My submission was rejected as being "blank". I don't know what is required or how to correct the issue.

Thanks, in advance! Rockkeeper (talk) 19:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Rockkeeper. Your draft was blank with no content, so cannot be reviewed for hopefully obvious reasons. You need to actually write text in order for a draft to be considered for review. Qcne (talk) 19:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rockkeeper: it is blank. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, but I do not know where to type the information, I typed it in the sandbox and it was visible to me. Rockkeeper (talk) 20:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rockkeeper I see now "A Journey through Avery County's Tie River Valley and Western North Carolina, from "The Ledgers of Sunny Brook", by James Myron Houston - Google "My Maps" in the sandbox. If that is what you typed and all that you typed, then it is insufficient to be an article. We do not know what the topic is, not what makes it notable 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 20:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, I do not intend for it to be a self standing "article". It is just an addition of historical map information to the "external links" portion in Winkipedia's information about "Avery County - North Carolina" Rockkeeper (talk) 20:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rockkeeper Wikipedia only accepts article which stand on their own merits, and whch pass our strict acceptance criteria. Perhaps you need a blog instead? 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 20:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, but no blog. I just wanted to contribute the map information, so the local history of the area might not be lost. I appreciate your time and feedback, as I, in reading the information contained on Winkipedia, did not understand that "edit" does not include the ability to contribute information, unless it was an article that "stands on it's own merits". Rockkeeper (talk) 20:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rockkeeper "edit" allows you to edit anything you feel you can add value to. "Submit"or equivalent words allow you to save the edit. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 20:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rockkeeper Light dawns. I think you were attempting to edit Avery County, North Carolina. If what you hope to add is a valid addition there is nothing to prevent your adding it in the correct place 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 20:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I do not know where the "correct place" is available to place the edit. Aftwr working in the sandbox, I tried editing it on the "external links" Avery County site, as my edit contains the link to the interactive Google map. That edit was removed for some reason or I did not submit it correctly. I will continue to look for the proper place. Thanks! 65.188.73.11 (talk) 21:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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