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09:23:13, 18 September 2022 review of submission by TaiyoHoneyMoon edit
What kind of significance does Wizzard in Vinyl have for power pop artists not only in Japan, but also for the world's power pop artists? I stated that it is a certain label. Please review again. TaiyoHoneyMoon (talk) 09:23, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- @TaiyoHoneyMoon: I'm not quite sure what you're saying or asking, but this draft has been rejected and will not be reviewed again. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:30, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
09:47:55, 18 September 2022 review of draft by Concernsavant edit
Concernsavant (talk) 09:47, 18 September 2022 (UTC) https://studylib.net/doc/8353044/what-s-new-in-the-surreal-world
https://prezi.com/dimwhgffgi6s/bienvenido-bones-banez-jr/ https://miltonrevealed.berkeley.edu/images/satan-leaping-joy-bienvenido-bones-banez-jr https://welcomebones666artworld.trilogistick.com/magazine/ https://www.aswangproject.com/bagobo-buso/ https://www.quora.com/profile/Bienvenido-Bones-Ba%C3%B1ez-Jr https://prabook.com/web/bienvenido.banez_jr./3755149 https://wn.com/bienvenido_bones_banez https://sites.google.com/site/terrancelindallsparadiselost/home/paradise-lost-project-annual-newsletter?fbclid=IwAR0a2IGcM71ktm6UtLVS-ZSgwLZoILw6fhq-a8bztFJSoriDUuc8G-koH1w https://sites.google.com/site/terrancelindallsparadiselost/the-grand-paradise-lost-costume-ball-september-2008?fbclid=IwAR25ZHULD0CF62YAXC1dglnivvk5PL5S56-a5NFCNz_DA_7JbM6IEkGVQSY
- @Concernsavant: you didn't ask a question, but your draft was declined for sounding like an advertisement. As for the list of sources you posted here, none of them look reliable (Prezi, Google Sites, "welcomebones666artworld", and Quora are all unreliable). — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 13:18, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- https://www.wahcenter.net/tag/bienvenido-banez/ and https://licricardososa.wordpress.com/category/pintura/ and https://www.thenursingoffice.com/dragon-gallery-new-york/there-s-more-to-art/satanic-desire/ and https://www.coursehero.com/file/106130519/artspdf/ and http://www.dreamsanddivinities.com/category/uncategorized/ and https://artfacts.net/artist/bienvenido-bones-banez-jr/547969 and https://spacecowboybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Simultaneous-Times-Newsletter-20.pdf(Redacted) http://scholarcommons.sc.edu/tcl_news/17/. Concernsavant (talk) 23:12, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- and he is a category of autistic artist here's the link https://wikimedioc.com/album/Bienvenido%20Bones Concernsavant (talk) 23:21, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- Do us a favour and stop throwing random sources at us. "It's an advertizement" is an indictment of the writing, not the sourcing. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 23:41, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- and he is a category of autistic artist here's the link https://wikimedioc.com/album/Bienvenido%20Bones Concernsavant (talk) 23:21, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- Since you clearly refuse to listen I am going to make the case to the reviewers looking at the draft instead, though I strongly doubt they need it. Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:
- https://www.lexikon-surreal.com/der-autor/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Anything he's written is useless for notability.
- https://sites.google.com/site/williamsburgcircle/our-members/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Any organisation he's a part of is not independent of him and thus unusable as a source for notability or biographical claims.
- https://sc.edu/about/offices_and_divisions/university_libraries/browse/irvin_dept_special_collections/collections/robert_wickenheiser_collection_of_john_milton.php is a non-sequitur.
- http://www.internationalauthors.info/editorial.html is useless for notability (connexion to subject). He's on an editorial board for the organisation. We do not accept notability-by-osmosis as a legitimate argument.
- https://qptv.org/content/visionaries-art-fantastic is useless for notability (too sparse). A video that's scenery porn set to a generic island funk beat with no narration is a spectacularly poor source, as it does nothing to identify which works are the subject's.
- https://issuu.com/lindall/docs/satanic_verses_part_2 is useless for notability (connexion to subject). He wrote it.
- https://thoughtgallery.org/events/dinner-devil/ is useless for notability (wrong subject). Event listings only indicate that an event is scheduled and not that it occurred (any number of things can result in a no-show or cancellation of an event, from serious safety issues, crimes being committed, or venue staff neglecting to read the rider full of safety protocols and requirements and not picking out the brown M&Ms). At best this is a source for the book, and not Banez, as he's hardly mentioned at all in the listing. Coverage of a subject's work is not tantamount to coverage of the subject themselves.
- http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/2014/09/terrance-lindalls-dinner-with-devil_24.html is useless for notability (wrong subject). Again, this is more about the book than the person. That (someone claiming to be) Banez commented on it is irrelevant as we don't take user comments into account.
- I cannot assess https://www.wahcenter.net/exhibits/2013/WAHsalon/ (technical barrier). It throws up a string of Guru Meditation fatal error text when accessed.
- http://fantasticvisions.net/events/2012/03/14/society-art-imagination-exhibition-phantasten-museum-vienna/%20 is 404-compliant. Both the links to this website are dead.
- https://wahcenter.net/exhibits/2012/grandharvest/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). As noted on the AfD for the article about Banes in 2017 Banez is inextricably linked to the Williamsburg Art & Historical Centre, and so at best this is some uninvolved fool citing something that the subject is connected to and at worst blatant promotion, as that was also noted to be an issue. The same applies to all the other WAHCenter.net links.
- http://www.qcc.cuny.edu/artgallery/artistDetail.asp?exhibitID=56 is 404-compliant (the link redirects to the website's homepage).
- http://artofimagination.org/member-gallery/ is a non-sequitur, and we can't use the actual page (too sparse). Image gallery.
- https://www.sunstar.com.ph/davao/great-artists-exhibit-museo-dabawenyo is 404-compliant (The link silently redirects to the website's homepage).
- We can't use https://familyvacationspace.com/ (website homepage).
- We can't use https://www.angdabawenyo.com/2009/10/12/mindanaoan-artist-visual-irony-in-lexicon-of-surrealism/ (404-compliant); the website seems to have been squatted.
- https://kellynewcomer.com/pdf/0603Surrealism_Lindall.pdf is 404-compliant.
- https://studylib.net/doc/8353044/what-s-new-in-the-surreal-world is useless for notability (connexion to subject). As Lindall has a vested interest in promoting his colleague's work (as made clear by the AfD) we cannot assume anything he writes with respect to Banez is usable.
- https://prezi.com/dimwhgffgi6s/bienvenido-bones-banez-jr/ is useless for notability (no editorial oversight). As a rule we consider teaching materials to be unusable as sources (not to mention that our audience is Joe Blow from San Antonio, not Billy Chub from U-Dub).
- We can't use https://miltonrevealed.berkeley.edu/images/satan-leaping-joy-bienvenido-bones-banez-jr (too sparse). Half the description is from a self-professed colleague of Banez.
- We can't use https://welcomebones666artworld.trilogistick.com/magazine/ (website homepage) and even if we could it'd still be useless for notability (connexion to subject).
- https://www.aswangproject.com/bagobo-buso/ is useless for notability (too sparse). His paintings are used to illustrate the article, which is a discussion of the culture and beliefs of a Filipino indigenous tribe.
- We can't use Quora (no editorial oversight). Internet forum.
- We can't use Prabook (no editorial oversight). Wiki.
- We can't use https://wn.com/bienvenido_bones_banez (unknown provenance). The YouTube video it points to was not uploaded by a news agency's verified account, and so we have to treat it as if it's a copyright violation and unreliable otherwise.
- https://sites.google.com/site/terrancelindallsparadiselost/home/paradise-lost-project-annual-newsletter?fbclid=IwAR0a2IGcM71ktm6UtLVS-ZSgwLZoILw6fhq-a8bztFJSoriDUuc8G-koH1w is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Again, Lindall has a vested interest in Banez' career.
- https://sites.google.com/site/terrancelindallsparadiselost/the-grand-paradise-lost-costume-ball-september-2008?fbclid=IwAR25ZHULD0CF62YAXC1dglnivvk5PL5S56-a5NFCNz_DA_7JbM6IEkGVQSY is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Yet more Lindall promotionalism.
- I have a sneaking suspicion https://wikimedioc.com/album/Bienvenido%20Bones?fbclid=IwAR2g7exvXAYK5tpsxeKQndYiRnmmoUDpag9NqvwKiZo1g9oapoOQXK0PANk isn't supposed to be using that logo. We can't use it (no editorial oversight).
- We can't use https://licricardososa.wordpress.com/2016/12/12/bienvenido-bones-banez-jr-pintor/ (too sparse). Photo gallery.
- We can't use https://www.thenursingoffice.com/dragon-gallery-new-york/there-s-more-to-art/satanic-desire/ (unknown provenance). Why the fuck is a website for "a group of nurses serving and taking care of nurses and our communities" hosting a full biographical writeup of an artist whose works are at best tangential to nursing?
- I cannot assess https://www.coursehero.com/file/106130519/artspdf/ (Walled).
- http://www.dreamsanddivinities.com/category/uncategorized/ is useless for notability (too sparse). This appears to be another event listing, and only includes his name.
- https://artfacts.net/artist/bienvenido-bones-banez-jr/547969 is useless for notability (too sparse). Profile website.
- The PDF at https://scholarcommons.sc.edu/tcl_news/17/ is a non-sequitur.
- The Simultaneous Times Newsletter is another non-sequitur.
- The Surrealism and Postmodernism PDF is yet another non-sequitur.
- https://carterkaplan.blogspot.com/2014/04/emanations-third-eye-review-by-phillip.html?m=1&fbclid=IwAR0DcB6jWBHhCGIAadoWzpSVDDeIf26mz0NEbMw74KWjUzbFCiZH4HpPGQ8 is useless for notability ([[WP:PRIMARY|connexion to subject]). "I should point out that the introduction is a collaboration and I am one of many contributors. Credit for the introduction is shared with Bienvenido "Bones" Banez..."
- The Pressreader source is useless for notability (Incomplete). The article has no byline. If it originally had one, you need to use
{{cite news}}and fill it out as if it were an offline cite. - https://lucidculture.wordpress.com/tag/surrealism/?fbclid=IwAR1vl4q2EX5tnS8lnqSaRL18o6CeTijWjjtO7mG7Cqw6KrChHE-kg192P9E is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop.
- https://thejoeyherrera.blogspot.com/2011/07/?m=1&fbclid=IwAR2_9dKPYNL1f4UTaJDiYvPeMp3sqKWXGSfqKPbv1Xh5cgQGuX45vfMo3Fc is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop.
- https://realitysandwich.com/visionaries_art_fantastic/?fbclid=IwAR2ADsLMEXcda0k970aIt8Zys33yZSD7YY7OW8CZViRSkelHgiX506Yoz_g is a non-sequitur minus an artist credit.
- Exactly NONE of the sources you provide are any good. And this doesn't address the promotional nature of the draft. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 04:05, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- Since you clearly refuse to listen I am going to make the case to the reviewers looking at the draft instead, though I strongly doubt they need it. Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:
- We don't consider ourselves a reliable source, and your entire argument above, sources included, refuses to acknowledge anything I've said in favour of attacking Wikipedia on a matter which has long been settled. Given the concerns raised in the AfD and the tenour of your behaviour here, I have to ask: What is your connexion to the Williamsburg Art and Historical Centre and/or Banez? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 20:31, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- We are concerns the people oppressed by your biased and your discrimination. And hope you consideration for Autistic Artist Bienvenido Bones Banez, Jr. will be qualified by your consideration and here's the reasons from Wikipedia articles: The systemic bias of Wikipedians manifests itself as a portrayal of the world through the filter of the experiences and views of the average Wikipedian. Bias is manifested in both additions and deletions to articles.
- Once identified, the bias is noticeable throughout Wikipedia. It takes two major forms:
- 1]a dearth of articles on neglected topics; 2]and
- perspective bias in articles on many subjects
- Since Wikipedia editors are self-selecting, choosing to take part in Wikipedia rather than being forced to, for social class (only a relatively small proportion of the world's population has the necessary access to computers, the Internet, and enough leisure time to edit Wikipedia articles), articles about or involving issues of interest to other social classes are unlikely to be created or, if created, are unlikely to survive a deletion review on grounds of notability.
- As of 2006, of the top 20 news sites used as references on Wikipedia, 18 were owned by large for-profit news corporations, while only two of the sites were non-profit news organizations.[citation needed]
- Perspective bias is internal to articles that are universal in aspect. It is not at all apparent from lunch (see tiffin) or the linguistic term continuous aspect that these concepts exist outside of the industrialized world.
- A lack of articles on particular topics is the most common cultural bias. Separately, both China and India have populations greater than all native English speakers combined, or greater than all of Europe combined; by this measure, information on Chinese and Indian topics should, at least, equal Anglophone or European topics. However, Anglophone topics dominate the content of Wikipedia. While the conscious efforts of WikiProject participants have vastly expanded the available information on topics such as the Second Congo War, coverage of comparable Western wars remains much more detailed.
- Notability is more difficult to establish in non-Anglophone topics because of a lack of English sources and little incentive among anglophone participants to find sources in the native language of the topic. A lack of native language editors of the topic only compounds the problems. Publication bias and full-text-on-the-net bias also make it more likely that editors will find reliable coverage for topics with easily available sources than articles dependent on off-line or difficult to find sources. The lack of sources and therefore notability causes articles to go through the deletion process of Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Systemic_bias
- ----As Michael Snow and Jimmy Wales have said in an open letter:
- How can we build on our success to overcome the challenges that lie ahead? Less than a fifth of the world's population has access to the Internet. While hundreds of thousands of volunteers have contributed to Wikimedia projects today, THEY ARE NOT FULLY REPRESENTATIVE of the DIVERSITY of the WORLD. Many choices lie ahead as we work to build a worldwide movement to create and share free knowledge.
- While obviously it is no longer true that fewer than 20% of the world's population has access to the Internet, the overall issues remain. ------ Hopefully you understand the points of view we should be open mind to become diversity.... 2001:4455:164:700:10D9:B4A7:1E22:B0D8 (talk) 01:20, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- If all you can do is copy-paste Wikipedia policy pages at us and scream bias as opposed to giving us an actual coherent argument, then you haven't been listening to what you're being told and further discussion about this is not going to be productive. And you haven't answered the question about conflict of interest. Barring a complete and utter sea change in your reading comprehension, I will be reverting all further edits from you that do not address these issues (the refusal to engage with legitimate criticism, obvious conflict of interest, and bothering-by-the-book) off this page as disruptive. We're not going to waste time debating and explaining policy to someone whose ability to comprehend what is being told is minimal or leased-out. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 02:46, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Concernsavant "[We hope your] consideration for Autistic Artist Bienvenido Bones Banez, Jr. will be qualified by your consideration..." We hope your consideration will be qualified by your consideration? What the heck does that mean? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:41, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- here's the reliable source- https://wikimedioc.com/album/Bienvenido%20Bones?fbclid=IwAR2g7exvXAYK5tpsxeKQndYiRnmmoUDpag9NqvwKiZo1g9oapoOQXK0PANk 2001:4455:164:700:10D9:B4A7:1E22:B0D8 (talk) 01:58, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- I've already dismissed that source, if you'd actually paid any attention. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 03:17, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- https://www.vagallery.com/bienvenido-bones-banez-jr.html 2001:4455:164:700:10D9:B4A7:1E22:B0D8 (talk) 03:15, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Useless for notability (too sparse). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 03:18, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- https://thtsearch.com/content/Bienvenido_%22Bones%22_Banez,_Jr./ 2001:4455:164:700:10D9:B4A7:1E22:B0D8 (talk) 03:17, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Can't use (No editorial oversight/unknown provenance). This looks like it came from some sort of wiki and in any event doesn't have a listed author. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 03:19, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- https://www.visionaryartexhibition.com/featured-artwork/the-seed-of-666-with-luciferian-desire-by-bienvenido-bones-banez-jr 2001:4455:164:700:10D9:B4A7:1E22:B0D8 (talk) 03:18, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Can't use (No editorial oversight, too sparse). Contextless picture galleries are absolutely worthless as sources. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 03:20, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- https://edgedavao.net/indulge-lifestyle/2018/08/03/my-city-my-sm-my-art-edades-at-sm-lanang-premier/ 2001:4455:164:700:10D9:B4A7:1E22:B0D8 (talk) 03:24, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 03:26, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- https://edgedavao.net/indulge-lifestyle/2018/08/03/my-city-my-sm-my-art-edades-at-sm-lanang-premier/ 2001:4455:164:700:10D9:B4A7:1E22:B0D8 (talk) 03:24, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Can't use (No editorial oversight, too sparse). Contextless picture galleries are absolutely worthless as sources. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 03:20, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- https://www.artofthemystic.com/uploads/2/5/9/7/2597378/visionary_alchemy-revised.pdf 2001:4455:164:700:10D9:B4A7:1E22:B0D8 (talk) 03:19, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Can't use (No editorial oversight, too sparse). Why on earth are you citing an event flyer? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 03:22, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20120703/bayside/alien-artist-hr-gigers-work-be-featured-queens-exhibit 2001:4455:164:700:10D9:B4A7:1E22:B0D8 (talk) 03:20, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 03:22, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- https://www.taringa.net/+arte/bones-banez-surrealismo-psicodelico-infernal-desde-filipin_t7g5b 2001:4455:164:700:10D9:B4A7:1E22:B0D8 (talk) 03:25, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Can't assess (language barrier). The site's DDoS mitigation also negates automated translation. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 03:27, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- https://www.taringa.net/+arte/bones-banez-surrealismo-psicodelico-infernal-desde-filipin_t7g5b 2001:4455:164:700:10D9:B4A7:1E22:B0D8 (talk) 03:25, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 03:22, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- https://www.liquisearch.com/terrance_lindall/the_paradise_lost_elephant_folio 2001:4455:164:700:10D9:B4A7:1E22:B0D8 (talk) 03:22, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 03:23, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- https://youtube.com/watch?v=35awKVW0NKA&feature=share 2001:4455:164:700:10D9:B4A7:1E22:B0D8 (talk) 03:26, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Unless it's from a news agency's verified account we can't cite YouTube, as I have already explained. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 03:28, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- (Redacted) (https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=2jZPEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA573&lpg=PA573&dq=bienvenido+bones+banez+jr+KunstHerz+Gerhard+Habarta&source=bl&ots=jQqXN8QN44&sig=ACfU3U3xnGxpofJHmHklaJdInxTQ41DO6w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiwkrmzi7j4AhWVSmwGHQPMD9EQ6AF6BAgWEAI#v=onepage&q=bienvenido%20bones%20banez%20jr%20KunstHerz%20Gerhard%20Habarta&f=false) And https://www.quora.com/profile/Bienvenido-Bones-Ba%C3%B1ez-Jr/Forever-In-Our-Memories-and-Forever-In-Art-World-of-Prof-Gerhard-Habarta-and-notability-strongly-believes-in-our-three-c-1?ch=15&oid=79864046&share=5accb94f&srid=OsnH&target_type=post 2001:4455:164:700:10D9:B4A7:1E22:B0D8 (talk) 03:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=2jZPEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA573&lpg=PA573&dq=bienvenido+bones+banez+jr+KunstHerz+Gerhard+Habarta&source=bl&ots=jQqXN8QN44&sig=ACfU3U3xnGxpofJHmHklaJdInxTQ41DO6w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiwkrmzi7j4AhWVSmwGHQPMD9EQ6AF6BAgWEAI#v=onepage&q=bienvenido%20bones%20banez%20jr%20KunstHerz%20Gerhard%20Habarta&f=false 2001:4455:164:700:10D9:B4A7:1E22:B0D8 (talk) 03:30, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- http://www.artofimagination.org/Pages/Banez.html 2001:4455:164:700:10D9:B4A7:1E22:B0D8 (talk) 03:31, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Your Google Books link is absolutely worthless for assessment (It says I've hit the viewing limit for the book). I've already dismissed Quora and Art of Imagination above. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 03:34, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Our world famous High End of Art World Magazine in "Art & Antiques" issue March 2016. "What’s New in the Surreal World" Surrealism isn’t dead—it’s dreaming. By Terrance Lindall https://studylib.net/doc/8353044/what-s-new-in-the-surreal-world And Young University is a private research university in Provo, Utah; it's already in the Scholars Archive-- "What's New in the Surreal World" by Terrance Lindall it's already in Surrealism & Postmodernist in the Scholars Archive ·https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=8407&context=etd · And also "Lowbrow" art movement in Wikipedia" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowbrow_(art_movement) using this "Wikipedia Sources" this Art & Antiques issue March 2016 https://studylib.net/doc/8353044/what-s-new-in-the-surreal-world 2001:4455:164:700:10D9:B4A7:1E22:B0D8 (talk) 03:33, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- At this point you're literally rehashing the same garbage sources that have already been discussed above. This conversation is over. Any further replies will be reverted off. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 03:35, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- https://youtube.com/watch?v=35awKVW0NKA&feature=share 2001:4455:164:700:10D9:B4A7:1E22:B0D8 (talk) 03:26, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 03:23, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- here's the reliable source- https://wikimedioc.com/album/Bienvenido%20Bones?fbclid=IwAR2g7exvXAYK5tpsxeKQndYiRnmmoUDpag9NqvwKiZo1g9oapoOQXK0PANk 2001:4455:164:700:10D9:B4A7:1E22:B0D8 (talk) 01:58, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- @You are posting while not being signed in to Wikipedia now, just so you know. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 09:02, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- We don't consider ourselves a reliable source, and your entire argument above, sources included, refuses to acknowledge anything I've said in favour of attacking Wikipedia on a matter which has long been settled. Given the concerns raised in the AfD and the tenour of your behaviour here, I have to ask: What is your connexion to the Williamsburg Art and Historical Centre and/or Banez? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 20:31, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
15:31:56, 18 September 2022 review of draft by Chito Kaii edit
- Chito Kaii (talk · contribs)
I want to make an article on this rare film (whose survival status is unknown to me), but I can find no further info. Just the reputable Movie Weekly and the IMDB. I still search, but feel it’s hopeless. Would the reformatting I did help to get it through? I will try to find an image if it helps.
Same goes for the draft, “Draft:Duck Inn (1920 film)” by Mermaid comedies. Chito Kaii (talk) 15:31, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Chito Kaii If you can't find reliable sources, then there is nothing to base an article on. Reformatting won't overcome a lack of sources, unfortunately. The article needs to summarize what the sources say. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:44, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
18:41:36, 18 September 2022 review of draft by Sclystest1 edit
- Sclystest1 (talk · contribs)
Hi, I've just created a Wikipedia page of Socialays (application), an artificial intelligence softwared social media management application. I also review the text with the tools called reFill and citation bot; and the result was no change necessary.
I've just wanted to let you know and be helpful.
Have a nice day!
Sclystest1 (talk) 18:41, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
18:54:17, 18 September 2022 review of submission by PatrickJWelsh edit
PatrickJWelsh (talk) 18:54, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- Answered on their talk page. Provided additional sources for inclusion in the article. Gusfriend (talk) 22:10, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
Editor Gusfriend rejected this draft as lacking adequate sources.
I'm confused about what kind of additional sources are needed, however. It's a stub that only makes three claims. The first two are supported by citations: one is a university website, and the other is a scholarly Dictionary of Hegelian Thought (in which GdiG was deemed important enough to be given his own entry). The third claim is supported by the titles of his works (or so I would think), the list of which are taken from his CV, which is linked below and can easily be independently verified.
Thanks for your help, and sorry if the answers to this are obvious: this is only the second article I created from scratch.
Regards, PatrickJWelsh (talk) 16:53, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
(P.S." apologies, Gusfriend, for re-posting here what I posted in response to your Talk message. It just occurred to me that pulling you into a discussion there might be frowned upon.)
- PatrickJWelsh, There is a full answer on the draft which sets out what we require from a reference. IN addition sometimes their work can be a reference, often not. Let me try to explain. If they manufactured vacuum cleaners, the cleaners would be their work. A vacuum cleaner could not be a reference for them, simply because it is the product they make. So it is with research, writings, etc. However, a review of their work by others tends to be a review of them and their methods, so is a reference, as is a peer reviewed paper a reference for their work. You may find WP:ACADEME of some use in seeing how Wikipedia and Academe differ hugely 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 06:56, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Timtrent,
- For future reference, you could probably turn to sports or politics to find a less offensive analogy, that is, one that does not appear to compare a person to a manufacturing plant. (In this instance, the implication that I cite GdiG as a source for his own excellence seems to me false. But that is neither here nor there.)
- It's probably also a bad idea to send an academic to a Wikipedia page that claims academics are only interested in boosting their own reputations, should be handled with kid gloves, and are very possibly only here to write articles about themselves under false pretense. Ouch!
- You can find a model of a more productive and encouraging response on my Talk page.
- Regards — Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 14:58, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- @PatrickJWelsh I'm sure anyone can choose to be offended by anything. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 15:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Timtrent, your suggestion that people chose their emotional response is psychologically dubious, to say the least. (If only that were so!)
- In any case, whatever your actual attitudes or intentions, please be aware that the response to my inquiry that you posted on Draft:George di Giovanni is perceived by this inquirer as decidedly uninviting (which, incidentally, is directly contrary to WP:ACADEME#How_can_we_solve_it?).
- Cheers– Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 17:17, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Without taking any stance on the topic of the draft, given that the claim for notability rests on his scholarly work the dedicated guidelines for academics may be relevant. Felix QW (talk) 12:24, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- @PatrickJWelsh I'm sure anyone can choose to be offended by anything. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 15:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)