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14:21:32, 7 May 2022 review of draft by WolfButcher

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I need some help understanding rejection of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Nestar_Systems on 3 April 2022, and how to fix it. The reviewer said "I did a quick search and the company is likely notable. However, in its current form it is promotional and many of the claims are not sourced. This needs to be rewritten completely due to its current tone."

-- I lead off with "was considered a pioneer in the industry" only to establish notability; the quote and the reference are to a news story published by Network World, not from the company.

-- The rest of the draft Wikipedia article is a pretty dry recitation of Nestar's history and products. Where reference is made to reviews, they are published by others ("PC Magazine said..."). There are 59 references, 83% of which are to material not produced by Nestar. That seems like a lot of references for a short article.

-- So I don't understand why this seems promotional, or how "many of of the claims are not sourced". I am at a loss as to how to approach "completely rewriting" it. Please help!

WolfButcher (talk) 14:21, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@WolfButcher: Are you familiar with the concept of promotion-by-over-detail? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 20:43, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Your draft was declined not rejected. I suggest you remove everything that isn't sourced. There is WAY too much of that especially the products. Theroadislong (talk) 20:55, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Being a newbie, I was not familiar with "promotion-by-over-detail", and didn't even realize the difference between "declined" and "rejected". I will try to remove excess detail. Thank you both for your suggestions. WolfButcher (talk) 22:39, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

15:38:26, 7 May 2022 review of draft by Raleigh80Z90Faema69

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Hello I'm trying to create an article for the novelist George Weinstein and I've been coming into some confusing and perhaps conflicting replies regarding what I need to do to publish this article. The first time I submitted the article the Editor declined the article and showed me a section that required a citation [citation needed]. I initially thought they meant proof that the novel existed so I provided the ISBN, publisher and publishing date. That turned out not to be what they were looking for and they wanted an article from an independent source that mentioned the book so I provided that. Then it was declined again and another Editor suggested an article that I should include which would be acceptable. Also it was mentioned that it should not be an article that only briefly mentions the author in passing, rather that the author should be the subject of the article. I clarified that I only included the article that mentioned the author in passing because the brief mention was for the Indie Book Award I was citing. Then I added in the article that the Editor Gusfriend suggested and resubmitted the article and the article was declined again, because no new sources were given, even though I added in the article that was suggested by the previous Editor, so I'm a bit confused as to what I actually need to do here. I fulfilled the first reason for being declined by adding in a source where the first Editor included the [citation needed] and then when the next editor decided that what the first Editor asked for wasn't actually enough I included the article that the 2nd Editor suggested and then the 3rd Editor said that what the 2nd Editor suggested wasn't actually enough, so what I'm wondering is, what do I actually need to provide to complete this page?

Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 15:38, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's not clear how they pass WP:NAUTHOR. Theroadislong (talk) 20:52, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

17:53:48, 7 May 2022 review of submission by Ajithkavi

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Ajithkavi (talk) 17:53, 7 May 2022 (UTC) Please review the changes I made on the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajithkavi (talk • contribs) 17:54, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

22:41:02, 7 May 2022 review of submission by 212.237.96.62

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212.237.96.62 (talk) 22:41, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Sorry - I really get this. My new article on Slobodan Bozinovic was declined again. I found as much information online as I could - but was told, that the article was largely based Discogs, which is not regarded trustworthy. But firstly, my article is not based only on Discogs - but on several different from each other independent sources - about this major figure in Serbian music life. Secondly - this article Branimir Đokić https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branimir_Đokić on a very similar subject is shown on English Wikipedia - without ANY sources mentioned - just with a warning,, that it needs additional sources for verification - but it is still shown. My article - which is FAR more documentated - cannot be shown, at least with the same warning? Why?? Best regards, Adam

Hello Adam, "What about article XY?" is usally a bad argument. This is a volunteer encyclopedia, with people doing what they can to adress inappropiate articles. Branimir Đokić is currently nominated for deletion. If you want to take other articles as a model, make sure they're good articles or even featured articles. Discogs is considered a generally unreliable source here. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:46, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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