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May 26

Hua Qing minigun

This page claims that a Chinese minigun called the "Hua Qing minigun" was introduced in 2009 by Huaqing Machinery Manufacturing Company. However, neither of the two news articles it references calls it a "Hua Qing minigun." They both said that the gun was made by "Jianshe Group" and didn't list any of the specs in the article. Is the entire article just false information? Should it be deleted or something? M-Tails-P (talk) 11:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Certainly seems like someone conflated some information. User:MSG17 has prodded the article, which is probably the correct course of action. Good catch, both. Folly Mox (talk) 21:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

What about the other language versions of this article? M-Tails-P (talk) 12:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Why did much of the Netherlands go Gregorian in 1583.0?

Including Holland. I thought they were pretty Protestant and most Protestant zones switched much later (though Holland was relatively religiously tolerant). Did they want to harmonize with Dutchophones in the much stronger Catholic Habsburg empire to the south? Or were they tolerant enough to not mind using a better calendar for secular purposes? When did they switch their movable feast dates to Catholic-style? When was the last major Protestant denomination to do so (including equivalents, I know they sometimes used Computuses that look different from Catholic but gave the same result)? Did anywhere simultaneously use Orthodox Easter and Gregorian calendar for awhile? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:56, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Politics.

Around 1566 the Dutch began their rebellion against Spain. King Phillip II send them an army and had some noblemen who supported the rebels executed, but things got worse. In 1568 the rebels won their first battle, traditionally seen as the start of the 80 years war. Looking for an ally, prince William of Orange, de facto leader of the Netherlands, suggested making Francis, Duke of Anjou, the youngest son of Henry II of France, sovereign of the Netherlands – without giving him too much power. He was a Catholic, but William was very much in favour of tolerant religious policies, and so was Francis. This was arranged in 1580. In 1581, the Dutch formally declared independence from Spain, deposing Phillip II as duke/count/lord of the seven provinces. Francis, following the example of France, wanted the Netherlands to switch to the Gregorian calendar. Zeeland (more Catholic), Holland and the States General (purely political reasons) accepted to keep good relation with their new ally (who, despite being Catholic, hated the Spanish too), the other provinces didn't do so right away. In 1584, Francis died at the age of 29, which was the end of the tight relation with the French. A month later, William was murdered and Dutch policies turned more hard-line. PiusImpavidus (talk) 20:14, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Was the war partly a proxy war between Spain and France? The Pyrenees are a natural border, annoying to fight in, unless the mountains have minerals you can only fight over scraps before you're in the others king's main farmland, the Low Countries are better for land and sea battles. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:35, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Hard to say. France had its own wars, with fanatical Catholics supported by Spain and the Pope, fanatical protestants supported by England and the Dutch, whilst the French royals – several kings (brothers) in rapid succession along with their mother, queen dowager Catherine de' Medici – tried to make peace by promoting religious tolerance. France was sandwiched between Spain and the Spanish Netherlands, the Spanish Netherlands were sandwiched between France and the Republic of the Seven United Netherlands, so they all had their strategic interests. The supply routes from Spain to the Spanish Netherlands went either overland, through France, or overseas to Antwerp (passing within gunshot range from the Northern Dutch city of Vlissingen) or Dunkirk (depending on who controlled that city at the time).

Definitely an interesting time, with wars all over the place (often more than two sides), princes getting murdered or taken hostage, royal marriages to make alliances, quickly followed by marriages with the opposing side, religious fanatics burning each other at the stake... PiusImpavidus (talk) 11:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

See Adoption of the Gregorian calendar

@ Adoption in Catholic countries

The Dutch provinces of Brabant and Zeeland, and the States General adopted [the Gregorian calendar] on 25 December of that year; the provinces forming the Southern Netherlands (modern Belgium) except the Duchy of Brabant adopted it on 1 January 1583; the province of Holland adopted it on 12 January 1583.

@ Adoption in Protestant countries # Rest of the Dutch Republic

The remaining provinces of the Dutch Republic adopted the Gregorian calendar on 12 July 1700 (Gelderland), 12 December 1700 (Overijssel and Utrecht), 12 January 1701 (Friesland and Groningen) and 12 May 1701 (Drenthe). -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 00:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

The Duchy of Brabant was a bit of a special case. Much of it was controlled by Spain. By the end of the war, it was broken up (and it still is). PiusImpavidus (talk) 11:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

1538.0? Were they using stardates? Clarityfiend (talk) 02:31, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

The ".0" suffix comes from astronomical epoch dating, not in use in 1583... AnonMoos (talk) 02:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)