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February 18

Cap (Sport) (Association football)

List of footballers with 100 or more caps said no men have obtained more than 200 caps.The most caps is 179 obtained by Ahmed Hassan Egyptian footballer.But i found Soh Chin Aun obtaining 252 caps?!?! i think it is a wrong information.It's true or false,if false what is his real caps? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.24.174.195 (talk) 10:42, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

I think the clue is in the linked article: "Although not recognised internationally, he was claimed to have had 252 international appearance for his country, making him the most capped international player in the world." So this claim is not recognised by the relevant authorities, it would seem. --TammyMoet (talk) 11:05, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

The FIFA records are here, and state that "FIFA recognises only matches played within the FIFA World Cup™ (including preliminary competitions), continental competitions (including qualifiers), friendly matches between senior national teams and Olympic final and qualifying matches played up to and including 1948 (with certain exceptions) as "A" international matches...." But, I haven't tracked down anything that sets out FIFA's records in relation to Soh Chin Aun. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:16, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Malaysia played it's first international A game in 1953 (as Malaya) but didn't become a FIFA member until 1956, since then they have played a total of 588 FIFA recognised internationals over the intervening 59 years. During a 15 year spell, Aun is supposed to have played 252 A level games for his country - which would average out as 17 a year and be just under half the games ever played by Malaysia. Even taking into account yearly tournaments this is a bit of a stretch logically. Nanonic (talk) 14:01, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

A list of all FIFA-recognised A-level international fixtures involving Malaysia is found here (the search can be customised). --Theurgist (talk) 15:40, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Customising the search to include only the years 1970-85 yields 204 recognised Malaysia matches in total during that time. Even if Aun played every game he still falls short of the claimed number. AJCham 04:35, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I've checked the page history and it's somewhat revealing. Initially the number of international caps was missing from the infobox, with question marks left in place. Then:

1. 25 September 2007: A figure of 200 is entered, unsourced.
2. 21 January 2009: The figure is changed to 250, again without a ref.
3. 13 June 2009: Changed to 252.
4. 15 July 2009: The 252 claim is now also added to the article text.
5. 8 May 2011: A reference for the claim is added - a YouTube clip which postdates the addition of the article text by almost a year.

Unless someone knows of a source making the 252 claim prior to June '09, this may be a piece of misinformation which originated here and spread. AJCham 05:12, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

What's My Line? Game Show - Contestants

Does any one know where can I find a list or something for the contestants of the British version of What's My Line? Because I belive that a relative of mine was a contestant on the show and even won. Scotius (talk) 14:42, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

That could be difficult (without more information from your relative). I think your best bet would be to first determine and then contact the appropriate production company (several different companies produced it over the years), assuming they still exist.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:51, 19 February 2012 (UTC)