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June 3

Atonality

Tonality is described as perspective, where, as I know it, perspective is a point of focus, as when you are drawing lines, they all will converge on one point. Is it possible to have atonality, tonality and polytonality, and multitonality?

What I mean is that (I believe), say in the C Major key, have not just the C Major cord the Tonality (or whatever) but have other cords equally tonal (or whatever)? (Of course, this C Major key wouldn't be a C Major key (you know what I mean))

Also, but for multitonality:

The same question, but is it possible to have some chords more tonal (or whatever) than others?68.148.164.166 (talk) 03:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Polytonality, yes. Not quite sure what you mean by multitonality, but in a tonal system (let's call it a key) some other keys are more closely related than others. Like, say, in the key of C it is easy to slip into the key of G. It sounds a little odd to me, but it makes sense to say that in the key of C the G chord has more tonal power of its own than most other chords. If this is something in the direction of what you're asking, perhaps take a look at the pages Tonicization, Closely related key, and Modulation (music). Pfly (talk) 04:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

What I meant by multitonality:

Ok, think of how I described polytonality with my first post, but instead of have 2 chords coequal (what I mean is that 2 chords are equally strong), 2 chords are equally strong, but a 3 chord is weaker.

Another question, is it possible that:

Chord 5 is 5 times stronger than Chord 1

Chord 4 is 4 times stronger than Chord 1

Chord 3 is 3 times stronger than Chord 1

Chord 2 is 2 times stronger than Chord 1?

And my last question, is it possible that:

Chord 5 is 5 times stronger than Chord 1

Chord 4 is 3.3463634736737 times stronger than Chord 1

Chord 3 is 1+(1/2) times stronger than Chord 1

Chord 2 is ${\sqrt[{12}]{2}}$ times stronger than Chord 1?

Thanks!68.148.164.166 (talk) 11:17, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It sounds a little odd to me, but it makes sense to say that in the key of C the G chord has more tonal power of its own than most other chords.

— Pfly (talk) 04:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and what is tonal power? Thanks.68.148.164.166 (talk) 11:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

"Unequal"

It is now well-accepted that of the two primary tuning systems in gamelan music, slendro and pelog, only slendro somewhat resembles five-tone equal temperament while pelog is highly unequal; however, Surjodiningrat et al. (1972) has analyzed pelog as a seven-note subset of nine-tone equal temperament.

— http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_temperament#5_and_7_tone_temperaments_in_ethnomusicology

What does "unequal" mean?68.148.164.166 (talk) 11:03, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

As equal temperament is "...a system of tuning in which every pair of adjacent notes has an identical frequency ratio.", I would expect unequal to not include identical ratios between notes. I am not clear on whether this "unequal" refers to the tuning of the notes or simply the way the modes are constructed (using only 5 of the seven possible notes). Since the tuning of gamelans is so variable, I suspect the unequal may refer to the mode construction. Rmhermen (talk) 13:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Then what does "tuning systems" mean

It is now well-accepted that of the two primary tuning systems in gamelan music, slendro and pelog, only slendro somewhat resembles five-tone equal temperament while pelog is highly unequal; however, Surjodiningrat et al. (1972) has analyzed pelog as a seven-note subset of nine-tone equal temperament.

— http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_temperament#5_and_7_tone_temperaments_in_ethnomusicology

?68.148.164.166 (talk) 20:33, 9 June 2008 (UTC)68.148.164.166 (talk) 20:35, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

The Simpsons

How many spoof episodes of the Simpsons have there been that include rehashed numbers from musicals - for instance 'see my vest', &c.? -russ (talk) 17:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

All Singing, All Dancing is one. Rmhermen (talk) 18:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Well as well as See My Vest (Beauty and the Beast), there's the Sherry Bobbins episode (Mary Poppins ), the episode where Lisa is school president (Evita), the monorail episode (The Music Man), the one where Lisa tutors Cletus' kids (The Sound of Music), the one where Lisa transforms Groundskeeper Willie into a gentleman (My Fair Lady). Those are the only ones that spring to mind, so 6 by my count, although there are lots of songs unrelated to existing musicals.Hawkisgirl (talk) 23:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Wheelie bin song

About a year ago on TV I saw an act featuring a line of wheelie bins on stage, music started (sorry I don't know the name of the song), and the performers popped up out of the bins to sing bits of the song. It was hilarious. The song is th same and the effect was similar to this amateur video. Does anyone know the name of the act, or at least the song used? Astronaut (talk) 19:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know the ad, but the song is Mah Nà Mah Nà. It was also seen in Sesame Street, among other things. -- Captain Disdain (talk) 21:17, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Ahh yes, that's the right song. Just to clarify though, it was not an advert but a stage act - part of some kind of variety performance if I recall correctly. Astronaut (talk) 00:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sorry, I have no idea why I thought it was an advert -- perhaps I misread the word "act" as "ad"? Still, glad I could help. -- Captain Disdain (talk) 20:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Helena Bonham Carter

Where can I find pictures of her from the film Where Angels Fear to Tread? David Pro (talk) 22:18, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Here. David Pro (talk) 22:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Final Fight

Where can I find artwork for this game? David Pro (talk) 22:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Here. David Pro (talk) 22:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Blu-ray

I was just wondering where could I go to find a list of all blu-ray dvds currently available worldwide? Or is there such a website?Jwking (talk) 22:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

The list is growing more quickly every day, so I don't know that anyone could keep up. You can search Amazon.com, though, and get a pretty accurate listing. Just go here for a list of all of them available. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 02:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)