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I've listed this article for peer review seeking a review in advance of a featured article candidacy, Thanks, ౪ Santa ౪^99° 14:46, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Santasa99: I don't know much about the topic of the article so I can only provide some general comments. Maybe someone else can help.

Some sentence are longer and more intricate then they need to be. You could try to simplify the following sentences and maybe split them.

The town of Herceg Novi in present-day Montenegro, which was founded by Tvrtko I of Bosnia as Sveti Stefan—the name that from the beginning gave way to a name Novi (literally "New"; also known as Castelnuovo in Italian, New Castle in English)—later came to Kosača possession and become their winter seat.
In the first two decades of the 15th century, following the death of its first king Tvrtko I, the Kingdom of Bosnia began developing into a less-centralized state with three powerful noble families Pavlović, Vukčić, and Hranić, who gained lot of independence to conduct their political and economic affairs, and influenced the political life of the kingdom to the point at which they had an important role in setting up and replacing its monarchs.
In the early 1460s, just before the fall of the Bosnian Kingdom, Stjepan controlled most of modern-day Herzegovina, at the time Humska zemlja (Hum) including Vitina, as far west as Krajina,[83][74] but he had already lost control of many of his lands and towns north of Hum to the Ottomans, namely Zagorje, Drina, Taslidža, Čajniče, Višegrad, Soko fort, including Nevesinje and Gacko within Hum.[59]

Concerning the last lead paragraph: I'm not sure that all the details about names are important enough to be mentioned here. I would reduce it to maybe 1/3 of its length but keep in mind that I don't know much about the subject.

Some of the citations do not point to sources. These are possibly spelling mistakes of the names. You can use User:Lingzhi2/reviewsourcecheck to display various types of source errors.

[63]: Ćorković 1964, pp. 339–340
[82]: Redžić 2009, p. 143

Some sources in bibliography are not cited in the article. They should either be removed or moved to the section "Further redings" (spelling mistake in title).

Babinger, Franz (1992). Mehmed the Conqueror and His Time. USA: Princeton University Press. ISBN 0-691-01078-1.
Bury, John Bagnell; Tanner, Joseph Robson; Previté-Orton, Charles William; Brooke, Zachary Nugent, eds. (1923), The Cambridge Medieval History, vol. 4, Cambridge University Press
Ćorović, Vladimir (1940). Хисторија Босне [History of Bosnia] (in Serbian) (Посебна изданја - Друштбени и историски списи - Књига 53 ed.). Belgrade: Српска краљевска академија – Штамиарија "Слово" (Глас српски – reprint 1999). ISBN 978-86-7119-161-6. Retrieved 7 May 2021.
Ćorović, Vladimir (1997). Istorija srpskog naroda [History of the Serb people] (in Serbian) (Book 1 ed.). Belgrade: eBook Portal. Retrieved 7 May 2021.
Ćošković, Pejo (2009a), Kosača (in Serbo-Croatian), Miroslav Krleža Institute of Lexicography
Isailović, Neven (14 December 2020). "Partnerstvo u pokušaju – temeljne značajke odnosa Alfonsa V. i Stjepana Vukčića Kosače". Radovi Zavoda za hrvatsku povijest Filozofskoga fakulteta Sveučilišta u Zagrebu (in Croatian). 52 (3): 37–68. ISSN 0353-295X. Retrieved 9 May 2023.
Jovanović, Ljubomir (1891). Стјепан Вукчић Косача.
Kurtović, Esad (2009b), Hranić (in Serbo-Croatian), Miroslav Krleža Institute of Lexicography
Miller, Timothy S.; Nesbitt, John W., eds. (1995), Peace and war in Byzantium: essays in honor of George T. Dennis, S.J, The Catholic University of America Press, ISBN 0-8132-0805-X
Božić, Jelena (2009). "Prikaz knjige: Srednjovjekovni gradovi u Bosni i Hercegovini Autor: Husref Redžić" [Review: Mediaeval walled towns in Bosnia and Herzegovina Author: Husref Redžić] (pdf). Baština (At ceeol.com). Sarajevo: KONS Commission to preserve national monuments of Bosnia and Herzegovina (V): 445–452. Retrieved 29 April 2023.
Redžić, Husref (1975). Srednjovjekovni gradovi u Bosni i Hercegovini. Sarajevo: Biblioteka Kulturno naslijeđe Bosne i Hercegovine, Sarajevo Publishing (published 2009). p. 266. Retrieved 29 April 2023.

Some sources use the publisher location but others don't. This should be consistent. The easiest solution is to remove the publisher location for all of them.

Some sources lack an identifier, like a ISBN, DOI, OCLC, etc.

The publisher (eBook Portal) of the following book may be unreliable: Ćorović, Vladimir (1997). Istorija srpskog naroda [History of the Serb people] (in Serbian) (Book 1 ed.). Belgrade: eBook Portal. Retrieved 7 May 2021. Phlsph7 (talk) 12:22, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

These are all great observations and will be of use to me, so I really appreciate it. I apologize for belated reply, but I missed alert one way or the other; I just now decided to casually check if anyone responded and found your post. I am a bit overwhelmed at the moment in a RL, but I will look at these as soon as I find enough time to take on entire post at once. Thanks. ౪ Santa ౪^99° 22:04, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead - these are all there for providing important context of contemporary politics in the land, that will be mentioned further in the article, so I prefer to leave it as it is; (skipped)
Some sentence are longer and more intricate ... - fixed second and third sentence, first is bit trickier without changing earlier CE;(fixed 2 and 3)
Some of the citations do not point to sources. These are possibly spelling mistakes... - yes and are fixed; (fixed)
Some sources in bibliography are not cited in the article. - I hoped to create more refs, but didn't, so I will remove move not cited to Further reading; (to fix later)
...publisher location... / ISBN, DOI, OCLC - loco is easy to remove, identifiers fixed; (fixed)
The publisher (eBook Portal) of the following book may be unreliable... - the book and author are important for the historiography of Bosnia but publisher could be unreliable - I think that google has another version with another publisher but the main reason I chose this print is because google provide a preview of its version; (need further input);

@Phlsph7, again, I apologize for belated reply, I completely forgotten on this peer review - when you find some spare time you can check my replies and leave some additional comments if you notice that I missed something, etc. I will finish few that need to be done in a day or two, so you can give your comments later. Thanks, and again, I apologize. ౪ Santa ౪^99° 00:20, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for implementing the suggestions, the article looks better now. If you want to include a source from an unreliable publisher then it might be a good idea to prepare an argument for why it should be included to pass the source review. The argument that the same book was also published by another publisher could work if the other publisher is indeed reliable. By the way, the reference "{{sfn|Kurtović|2009b|p=}}" you recently added has a page-parameter but lacks a page-value. Phlsph7 (talk) 08:46, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, you are welcome. Yes, that one publisher is unreliable, but in case reviewer(s) get too firm on that one there are other older editions however those are without preview, so either way this will be easy to fix (preview was my reason for choosing current one; yes, those other publishers were state publishing houses which were always attached to universities in Yugoslavia, ad the author and his opus was part of mainstream historiography). I will look at this Kurtović, that's most certainly oversight on my part. Thanks @Phlsph7 if you have any other suggestions and comments, please feel invited to offer them. ౪ Santa ౪^99° 17:28, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

i just remembered why is Kurtović 2009b without a page - it's a ref to his "one-page" online synthesis that he's written for Miroslav Krleža Institute of Lexicography, so there are no page numbers there, you get focused url in linking (it focuses on section title of certain part of the page, etc, in this case on "Hranić" title). ౪ Santa ౪^99° 17:37, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, the page number does not make sense. If you want to make it explicit where the revelant text is located in longer online sources, you can use the parameter "loc" instead of "p" to indicate the section. For example, you could use "{{sfn|Kurtović|2009b|loc=§Sandalj Hranić}}". Phlsph7 (talk) 08:49, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Superb, I completely missed this version of a template - {{sfn|Kurtović|2009b|loc=§Sandalj Hranić}} works like a charm. Thanks, @Phlsph7, I really appreciate it. ౪ Santa ౪^99° 01:50, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Query edit

@Santasa99: It has been over a month since the last comment. Is this ready to be closed? Z1720 (talk) 17:13, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

G'day Z, I believe it is OK to close it. Thanks. ౪ Santa ౪^99° 17:26, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]