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List of Toronto Blue Jays managers

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I've listed this article for peer review because The Rambling Man suggested it.

Thanks, -- K. Annoyomous24 _{GO LAKERS!} 20:42, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

KV5 comments

OK, so Maclean says that he has a source for Harry Warner's managing 12 games. That we can use, and if I can see the source, I will make a stub for him as well so that the list is not incomplete. The last thing I think we need to do in terms of the actual list is find out why Cookie Rojas managed three games in 2001.

On a personal note, I'd like to thank the author for being patient with us as reviewers. I know from experience what a grueling process FLC can be; it's one of the reasons I don't even begin to touch FAs. I think that if Maclean, K. Annoyomous24, myself, and other reviewers work together, we can finish this up and get this list to FL. I would suggest that since it's been through two failed noms in two weeks, we should wait about a month and make sure it's perfectly clean and shipshape before putting forth another nomination. If all goes as planned, I'll gladly come on as a co-nom, if it meets our standards. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 21:06, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

This source will corroborate the Blue Jays' official website for Cookie Rojas. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 22:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

If you enable your WP email (see user preferences) I can email you some news articles on Warner. I still haven't found anything about Rojas' stint yet. --maclean 00:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the sources for Cookie Rojas, Killervogel15. You can e-mial me those articles now, maclean. I would greatly appreciate it. -- K. Annoyomous24 _{GO LAKERS!} 00:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I am guessing Rojas coached May 25-27, 2001 games against the Red Sox. Why? Because on May 25, 2001, "manager Buck Martinez has taken a leave from the team for 3 games to attend his mother-in-law's funeral." per JAYS UPDATES.--Crzycheetah 07:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that is confirmed by the Globe and Mail: May 25, May 28. maclean 19:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

maclean25 comments

I merged a more detailed introduction from my sandbox into the article. [1] Is this ok? --maclean 01:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

sure...looks long but sure... -- K. Annoyomous24 _{GO LAKERS!} 01:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

By the way, should I erase 10 games from Hartsfield, make Warners, and put it on Warners or what? -- K. Annoyomous24 _{GO LAKERS!} 01:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Good question. Which is a more reliable source: Baseball-Reference.com or toronto.bluejays.mlb.com? B-R.com has been accepted in previous FLs as reliable, but of the 14 managers the two sources differ on 8 of them. --maclean 02:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I personally still don't accept all of these sports-reference.com sites. I always find too many errors when I research football or basketball-related lists. Now, I see they have errors on baseball, as well, but I am not surprised anymore. I strongly recommend not to use this site as a source and go with some alternative sources. The lead looks awesome, by the way.--Crzycheetah 03:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Here's the problem: Baseball Reference was thought of as the "alternative" source to official team histories. Over-reliance on official websites is a big no-no over at WP:FA, so where are we to go? Baseball-Cube, Baseball-Reference, Baseball America, Baseball Almanac... there are a lot of sites out there but to be honest, it's hard to know which ones agree. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 03:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I just made a thread on the talk page to decide whether or not to use baseball-reference.com. Please eeply if you want to withdraw or not withdraw the reference. Thanks! -- K. Annoyomous24 _{GO LAKERS!} 03:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the current lead can be in the new section titled history of managers or something similar and the old lead be brought back. It's really quite long for a lead, it's even longer than the table. The information is useful and nicely written, but I don't think it should be in the lead.--Crzycheetah 07:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

So what should I do? I prefer my intro better but I don't know about KV5. -- K. Annoyomous24 _{GO LAKERS!} 07:29, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Let's wait for maclean, since he's the one who wrote the current lead.--Crzycheetah 07:34, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure. Do what you think is best. It is meant to provide meaning (or the story) to the list. Though I'd shy away from some of the more off-topic points in the original, like explaining the Expos, to keep it focused on Blue Jay Managers. --maclean 19:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

K.Annoy, could you create the new section and bring back the revious version of the lead? Then we can probably figure out what is needed and what's not.--Crzycheetah 02:18, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

What section should I make? -- K. Annoyomous24 _{GO LAKERS!} 02:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The Overview or History section where most of the info from the current lead can go.--Crzycheetah 02:31, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Which article should I put it on? If you want me to put it on the Toronto Blue Jays article, I can't because I would mess up their format. Also, I revived the original lead with the first paragraph. -- K. Annoyomous24 _{GO LAKERS!} 02:47, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey guys, I'm back. K.Annoy, I think what he is saying is to make a section after the lead but before the list which is a history or an overview in addition to the lead (a la List of Major League Baseball players from Puerto Rico). KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!

Crzycheetah already did. -- K. Annoyomous24 _{GO LAKERS!} 18:38, 1 August 2008 (UTC)