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I've listed this article for peer review because although it needs better sourcing for such things as the various Emmy nominations for the TV appearances, I think it has many if not most of the requirements for Featured List status. Be brutal, tell me what needs to happen to make this an FL.

Thanks, Otto4711 (talk) 23:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ruhrfisch comments: Very briefly, here are some suggestions for improvement. If you want more comments, please ask here.

Biggest problem with this making FL is the almost complete lack of references. The lead needs refs and each bio needs a ref.
Any reason why the lists are not sortable? I also note the books are sorted by author's last name and the other two lists are in chronological order. Why the difference? Making the lists sortable would also solve this.
I would try to find something to say about each bio in the notes. Also some of the notes are odd and do not focus on the Garland bio - for example, "The Ultra Secret" was a segment about World War II code-breaking." threw me for a loop, or "Musical based on the life of Peter Allen" should mention she is a character (lead does this)
A model article is often useful for ideas and examples to follow - I would look at WP:FL and see if there are any models

Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). Yours, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 05:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your comments are always useful and I appreciate the attention that you've given several of my articles. The reason the books are listed by author is that I was treating it like a bibliography, which is alphabetized by author. I don't know how to make sortable tables.
What constitutes a reference for a book? I would have thought that the existence of the book, like the existence of a film, is self-referential.
The Ultra Secret note was specifically to explain the title of the 60 Minutes episode and make it clear that "The Ultra Secret" didn't refer to some ultra-secret thing about Judy. Otto4711 (talk) 13:29, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I made the books table sortable and made the notes so they would not sort (as an example of how to do each). I now understand the rationale for listing the books by author, thanks for explaining it.
I guess I assumed that each book would have an inline citation with the same information, maybe using {{cite book}} - ISBN, pages for those books which only have a chapter or section on Garland. You might also want to ask at the talk page for FLC and see what the suggestions / ideas are there. I looked at some other FLs to see if I could find a model article, but the ones I found were all of works by one person (Einstein, Joseph Priestley, etc.) and not about one person. They all cited sources on that person's works - is there a published source that lists all of these? If the refs included the publisher, would that have to be in the table too? That would leave more room for the notes.
I understood the reason for the Ultra note, my point was more to also include material on Garland in the note, if possible.

Glad this is helpful - not sure what else to say, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:02, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]