Wikipedia:Peer review/Joseph W. Tkach/archive1

Joseph W. Tkach edit

This article has reached GA. I would like to know what is needed to get this to FA. Any suggestions are welcome. RelHistBuff 13:31, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Additional graphics would definitely improve it. Can you get a better picture of Tkach?
I would like to see more detailed biography of his early life, and family life. The article only touches on this lightly.
The article seems slightly biased against Tkach. It may be that such a figure would be difficult to present in NPOV. Mfields1 01:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I will look for some more photos and expand the earlier part of his life. Concerning bias, the sources on him tend to paint him as either a saint who saved the WCG or a demon who brought down the WCG. I tried to keep the article down the middle course. If you see a bias somewhere, please let me know where and I will try to fix it. Is it the part concerning his legacy (the message there is pretty negative)? RelHistBuff 08:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that was the section that caught my eye as being negative. Maybe there is a different section title that could be used, or in some way, could the positive aspects (if any) be presented first?

I added two more photos and more details on his early life, in particular his family's interest in the WCG and his conversion. As for the final section, detailling the collapse of the church would at first appear to be a negative assessment of Tkach to most people's eyes. But interestingly, the details of the collapse are from sources that are supporters of Tkach. I have tried to show this dichotomy of views on the collapse so that this section will be appear more neutral. RelHistBuff 11:56, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I like the renaming and rewording of the last section. IMHO is is balanced. Is there a way to add a graph of church membership by year, or church income? I think may add to the article. For the lead photo at the top, is a color photo available? I'll try to think of a few other ideas that would help get the article to FA. It looks well researched. Mfields1 21:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a bad idea about the statistics. I'll take a look into that. I am not sure if a color photo exists though. RelHistBuff 21:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I found a color photo which is taken from the same source as the b&w one in the lead section. Unfortunately, the resolution isn't very good so I think it's better to stay with the b&w one for the moment at least until I can find a better one in color.

I have taken a look at the sources for data in order to make a chart. Unfortunately membership data is inconsistent. For example, concerning membership, sometimes the numbers refer to US membership, sometimes to worldwide membership, and sometimes it is unclear. The revenue numbers are better though as the articles refer to audited financial reports. I have uploaded a chart, but unfortunately the data for 1995 is missing (due to late publication). However, one can easily see the fall starting from 1990 and continuing through 1997. RelHistBuff 15:17, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I got the 1995 data from another source. The graph is now complete. RelHistBuff 14:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A couple thoughts...

I would remove some of the duplicate wiki-links for items like "Herbert W. Armstrong" and "Worldwide Church of God". They really only need to be wiki-linked on their first appearance in the article.
A pronunciation guide to the last name Tkach would be helpful.
A link or wiki-source to the full text of the Christmas Eve Sermon would be a plus.
Considering the importance of the doctrinal changes implemented by Tkach, it seems like the section Changes brought by Joseph Tkach should be expanded with more details. A couple questions that crossed my mind was if these changes were made unilateral or did Tkach consult the elders, conduct a study, etc? In particular, I'm curious about details of what maybe provoke these changes. A somewhat related question on the section title, instead of listing these as "changes" wouldn't "Reforms" better describe them?

Overall I think this is an excellent article on a difficult subject. I think with more details to flesh out the subject it could be well on its way to FA status. Agne 11:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I implemented the first two. For the third, the link was there already in a footnote at the end of the paragraph, but it could be easily missed, so I footnoted it directly on the first reference to the Christmas Eve Sermon. As for the fourth, I will expand it over the next day or two. RelHistBuff 12:01, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, I didn't realize that link was to the full text. It just appeared to be an excerpt. Thanks for clarifying. Agne 12:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have added an explanation of what triggered the reforms and some details of the decision-making process. The feedback has definitely helped to improve the article and I am open to more suggestions and criticisms. RelHistBuff 10:42, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please see automated peer review suggestions here. Ruhrfisch 02:31, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be possible to add a cover from The Plain Truth to the page? It would add something to the description. Mfields1 01:02, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good suggestion. I will look for a relevant cover page. RelHistBuff 21:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I found some covers, but unfortunately they aren't really relevant to Tkach (most are on prophecy and current events). More improvements in the article have been made recently. Additional suggestions on how to get this to FA are welcome. RelHistBuff 10:47, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]