Ann Rivers edit
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I've listed this article for peer review because…
I am interested in taking this article all the way to Featured Article status. I know it needs work and I would like this PR to focus primarily on getting it to A level first, with extra comments on FA. Looking at the criteria, I so far think I need to work a little bit on the prose, although I'm not entirely sure where. It may be tough, but I'm willing to put in the work.
Thanks very much! PrairieKid (talk) 21:28, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Back to look over comments. PrairieKid (talk) 18:24, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
SGGH
I've tweaked the lead a little, and run auto-mated things like AWB, disambiguation link checkers, and the citation bots. No issues so far. I'll trawl through for typos and tweak prose here and there I'm sure if that's okay, and any thoughts I'll put here. I'm on night shifts for the next two days so might be a little slow replying. --S.G.(GH) ping! 19:50, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for doing that. Having a copyedit with someone else's eyes is exactly what this page needed!
- Early life and career
- Obviously there ought to be more here as and when we find sources, it leaps from birth to 1992 in about four lines, and the part about being considered to replace Mr. Curtis - do we know why? where? by whom? What made her stand out? but I appreciate sources may be scarce.
- I'll try to find more here. I changed the stuff on Mr. Curtis a little. As to the early life, I know based on having met Senator Rivers and hearing ads and the like, but am having trouble finding reliable resources. Still trying though. PrairieKid (talk) 18:24, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- "she founded AMR consulting, a public relations and government affairs consulting firm" - do we know when?
- Yes. In 1992 when she helped Bill Williams run for office.
- "Rep. Richard Curtis" - probably best to avoid the abbreviation.
- Done.
- "Rivers also worked for some time as a 6th grade teacher" needs to be set into chronological order ideally if we know when. Before or after AMR Consulting? Where also?
- Not sure where... Will look for more sources. I think it was both in Alaska and Washington (that would fit in with the rest of her life), but I am not sure. PrairieKid (talk) 18:24, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
New information just came out about Rivers. Will update other areas of article and return. PrairieKid (talk) 18:24, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- State House of Representatives
- "Her website listed communication as being vital as a state representative" this probably isn't particularly groundbreaking, unless she has been singled out by 3rd party sources as being particularly skilled in this area.
- Fair enough. It has been removed.
- Certainly there will be more on her career during 2010-2012, would need quite a bit more content if you're going to go for FA. A relevant Wikiproject might be able to help you with sources, as may articles on her colleagues at the time to help with chronology/finding sources online.
- Added a little bit of content... Still working on it. 18:55, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- State senate
- First line starting "In June 2012..." runs on a little. And the 'She' ought to say 'Rivers' as you're focusing back on her after a sentence on Zarelli. I know the pronouns show who it is you're referring to, but the name may sound better.
- Done.
- Also the sections on tenure might benefit from being grounded in chronology, giving dates when she voiced her concerns about the bridge, when she voiced her climate concerns, etc.
- The bridges have been a focus throughout her tenure. The specific dates are in there. I moved the content about the economy to the election section.
- Do we know what month she was selected for the Council of State Governments?
- No, but I replaced it with "early" which I think helps...?
- "The academy is training institute" is missing an "a"
- Fixed.
- "In November 2012, shortly after winning her term" hang on, which term are we talking about now. Particularly for someone not familiar with the US political set-up, it might be confusing which position we are talking about her. The sentence also doesn't need the second comma after "leadership".
- Done.
- The para beginning "Rivers introduced a bill in February..." is a good example of how to ground the prose into a chronology by linking in dates, etc. Good stuff. Good use of factual content and rebuttal from her detractors, too. Any media responses also?
- Thanks! The only reactions I can find are Letters to the Editor about Rivers, if I understand what you mean.
Thank you for reviewing this for me! I am not sure I will be able to get it to FA level, but will certainly do my best and improve it! PrairieKid (talk) 23:00, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- That's okay! The only other one I can think of at the moment is that the personal life section needs expansion - if you are going to have one, that is. I'm not a fan of them myself as I think the content can go into the correct chronological positions in the rest of the article, but that is my own preference and not an FA criteria. Good article, well done! S.G.(GH) ping! 12:52, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Pelarmian
- I've been invited to peer review this article. I'm unfamiliar with the topic and don't know much about US politics. The article is clearly written and set out in a logical order and is written in an encyclopedic tone. It's a good example of how a WP:BLP should be written. It reads like a CV, listing facts about the senator's career, electoral campaigns and bills supported, etc., but it doesn't give much information about her political opinions, her values or where she stands politically within the Republican Party. The views of others - colleagues, opponents and political journalists, for example - on her generally, in addition to their views about particular pieces of legislation, would also enrich the article. Pelarmian (talk) 15:02, 7 January 2014 (UTC)