Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 28
Where do we categorise people from New Zealand who do not identify with a "city or town" in New Zealand. There's lots of space there. See discussion about Brian Lochore. Eddaido (talk) 01:05, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Paora: Why do subjects, in this case an innocent surveyor named Holmes Miller, lose their locality, in this case South Canterbury? Is this the urbanising of New Zealand? Have I missed a discussion somewhere? Please tell me. Eddaido (talk) 10:28, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Eddaido: Not sure what you mean about losing his locality. He's from Waimate, the article says he's from Waimate, and he's in Category:People from Waimate. No locality lost there! If you're asking, why did I removed the (sub-)province "South Canterbury" following Waimate, then the reason is that in New Zealand the construction of place, province, country is seldom if ever used, as most places (with a very few exceptions) are unambiguous. Paora (talk) 03:31, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
- That individual may have been a poor selection by me.
My concern is for people who do not identify with any particular " city or town in New Zealand" and in fact strongly resist that pigeon-holing preferring to be "from" (the countryside). Is a precise place of birth a life-time label? What if it is not borne / worn with pride? How do we handle those born at sea? - or in an aircraft.
What does "from" mean (in WP WPNZ) when we talk about or write about a person? Is there —somewhere amongst the many discussions— one where we have agreed that it is the place of birth? (as I understand you believe it should be). Is the UK PM "from" New York? Eddaido (talk) 07:53, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
- Category:People born at sea. Paora (talk) 08:21, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
- That individual may have been a poor selection by me.
- @Eddaido: Not sure what you mean about losing his locality. He's from Waimate, the article says he's from Waimate, and he's in Category:People from Waimate. No locality lost there! If you're asking, why did I removed the (sub-)province "South Canterbury" following Waimate, then the reason is that in New Zealand the construction of place, province, country is seldom if ever used, as most places (with a very few exceptions) are unambiguous. Paora (talk) 03:31, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
- This discussion begs the question of whether we really want/need these categories Category:People from 'town/city' at all - for New Zealand towns/cities, at least. I'm not convinced that we need them. Ross Finlayson (talk) 08:14, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Nomination of Edward Lewis (minister) for deletion edit
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