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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was kept by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 21:06:08 28 July 2019 (UTC) [1].

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Article has been tagged for insufficient citations, while the lead is only two sentences long. This list could probably be merged into Scripps National Spelling Bee, really. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 11:55, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delist – Without substantial work, the list shouldn't have the star any longer. It has multiple deficiencies, as pointed out by the nominator. Giants2008 (Talk) 17:08, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist - In addition, there is a subheading with nothing in it. Mattximus (talk) 13:19, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    In fairness, the "See also" section does include a portal box to the right, but it probably isn't worth including there anyway. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 15:37, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • This section is gone now, but for some reason the notes start at letter C? Mattximus (talk) 13:22, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, that's because I have eliminated some notes which I didn't think were necessary and haven't yet get round to re-lettering the remaining ones...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:29, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Mattximus:, might you be able to check back in here? Everyone else who had !voted "delist" has now struck their !vote, just wondering if you had any comments on the current state of the article....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:35, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yep my concerns have been addressed. Mattximus (talk) 13:03, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist – should've been demoted in 2012 once that tag got there. – zmbro (talk) 03:21, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist. The background and media coverage sections don't belong on this list, they belong on the main article. There are multiple citations missing from the table. The lead introduces the spelling bee and not the champions, which is what the list is about. No images despite there being photos of some winners on Commons. Absolutely not an example of the best Wikipedia has to offer. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 22:15, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - if it's not too late after four delist !votes, I'm happy to have a crack at salvaging this one..........? Let me know if it's worth bothering......... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:01, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: Great changes. Four somewhat minor things — are all three sources needed for Clara Mohler's win? It seems like a bit much, and I think the third source is a dead URL. The references column is titled "notes". The images are missing alt text, and the first two captions need periods since they're full sentences. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 14:55, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@DanielleTH: - TBH most of the refs in the last column aren't needed, as the ref in the column headers covers everything. I'm still working on fixing the article's issues, hopefully I can get everything ship-shape by the W-E-E-K-E-N-D weekend ;-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:58, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@DanielleTH: - all done now I think -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:37, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: The only other things were quite minor so I went ahead and did them: the full-sentence captions needed periods per WP:CAPFRAG and one caption needed a minor change to keep tenses consistent, and some locations weren't linked. I've struck my delist, keep. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 19:00, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments – Much better now. Here are a few things I noticed from looking at the list, all minor:

  • Bolded links in the intro are discouraged by the MoS, so that bolding at the start should probably go.
  • The 2008-2018 range needs an en dash for style.
  • In the List of champions section heading, the first two words aren't needed since it's obviously a table. Just using Champions is cleaner.
  • In the references, I see New York Times and The New York Times. Pick one and stick with it for both cites. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:23, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments – Not gonna lie I'm actually very impressed with what you've done with this. Honestly didn't think this was salvageable, fantastic job! Here are a couple of things I'd add:

  • Table still needs scope rows
  • I'd archive every ref
  • Why only 14 refs? – zmbro (talk) 00:29, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why only 14 refs? - why not? Everything in the article is sourced, there's no real need to add more refs just for the sake of it........ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:21, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah you're right. On top of my first two points, ref 8 still needs an access date. – zmbro (talk) 00:53, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Scopes and missing accessdate added. I don't know how to archive refs...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:27, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Only ref 11 was missing an archival version, so I archived it for you. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 18:03, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – I'm good with this keeping the star. Great job improving it. – zmbro (talk) 01:43, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – I just checked on the list, and I can say that there have been a lot of improvements to the lead and prose. So I believe that it is finally deserving of the star in the top right corner KingSkyLord (talk) 11:17, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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