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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:Matthewedwards 23:10, 10 January 2009 [1].

Paulini Curuenavuli discography

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Self-nomination I have significantly contributed to the list and believe it meets all attributes of the featured list criteria. The discography follows the same format as my previous discographies for past Australian Idol contestants, Ricki-Lee Coulter discography and Joel Turner discography. Please note that Paulini Curuenavuli has only charted in Australia, except for her debut single, "Angel Eyes" which also charted in New Zealand. I'm willing to address all concerns and will check this candidacy several times a day. Thanks! Hpfan9374 (talk) 14:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing editor - I have addressing all but one of Cannibaloki and Udonknome's concerns. I have addressed half of this concern by referencing the directors of her music videos, "Rough Day" and "So Over You". I am currently addressing the remaining half of this concern; I have phoned Sony BMG however they have stated that she is an inactive artist on their label, and cannot help me with the concern. I have since phoned her new management, Revolutions Per Minute, who have informed me that they did not release her earlier material ("Rough Day" and "So Over You"), however they are currently contacting Paulini directly, asking her the directors names. Once these names are received, I will then be able to access the director's website or retrieve the director's resume/filmography, to reference them with reliable sources. Thanks! Hpfan9374 (talk) 04:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from SRX

Comments

  • The release was a commercial success with platinum certification by the ARIA and produced two top thirty singles, including a number-one single "Angel Eyes".-1)Either place a comma between success and with and by ARIA and and or just between ARIA and and 2)ARIA needs to be spelled out per WP:ACRONYM.
I've added both the commas.
  • The release was a minor success, peaking at #70 on the ARIA Charts-how about it earned or received minor success because was makes it sound like WP:POV
Thanks, I've changed it to received.
  • The release failed to achieve the commercial success of its predecessor, peaking at #72.-#72 on which chart?
It peaked at #72 on the only previously mentioned chart in the lead, the ARIA charts. I'll add it if you want, but I am pretty sure it is assumed.
  • Later that year, she co-founded girl group Young Divas and, with them, released their commercially successful eponymous debut album, in 2006 and their second cover album, New Attitude, in 2007.-1)the comma needs to be placed before and 2)The comma needs to go after 2006 not after album 3)Comma before the and near 2006. 4)Its too many commas in this sentence, I recommend splitting it.
I've added the commas, and split the sentence.
  • Director name for these music videos has not been found in reliable sources. - how about The director's name for this music video has not been found in reliable sources. because they will be redirected here individually and not by pluralized refs.
Very true, changed.
  • The song was selected as the anthem of World Youth Day 2008. - This not The
I have correct it, as per your request.

--SRX 01:06, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I feel I have made the necessary changes. Thankyou very much for your comments you have once again expanded both the article and my knowledge for future reference. Hpfan9374 (talk) 01:35, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - comments resolved to meet WP:WIAFL.--SRX 16:09, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Thankyou very much for your support SRX. I greatly appreciated your comments and assistance; they will help me expand as a wikipedian. Thanks! Hpfan9374 (talk) 22:50, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Your welcome :) SRX 03:39, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Strong Weak oppose

  • "one extended play (EP)"
I don't understand, what's wrong? ... Are you talking about the lead:

Paulini Curuenavuli, commonly known as Paulini is an Australian, multi-platinum pop singer-songwriter. She has released two studio albums, one extended play and five singles, in addition to five music videos.

Do you want me to change "one extended play" to "one extended play (EP)"?
+ (EP) → She has released two studio albums, one extended play (EP) and five singles, in addition to five music videos.
Changed, as per your request.
  • Merge the second para with the first.
Sure.
  • "Curuenavuli came to prominence, after placing fourth on the first season of Australian Idol in 2003."
I've added the comma.
  • "The release also produced produced"
Whoops. I've deleted the second repeated word.
  • As of August 2008 (?) That I known, we are in December, right?
The source from the Herald Sun, entitled Then there were two Young Divas was posted in August 2008, not December.
    • In short, the lead is a copy of Ricki-Lee Coulter discography. (similar style)
Yes, it is a similiar style, as they are both Australian singers, previous Australian Idol contestants and former members of the Young Divas. I wrote the lead of Ricki-Lee Coulter discography anyway.
Okay, I think that helped quite manipulating the words, is no longer seemed so.
Great.
  • Peak chart positions? You have just one.
Okay, I've changed it to "Peak chart position" under studio albums and extended plays subheadings.
  • ARIA certification (sales thresholds)
The sales thresholds are important, to determine the number of copies shipped.
  • Delink all dates.
Fixed.
  • Dates in the international format (dd-mm-yyyy).
Fixed.
  • You have two music videos without the name of director and their respective reference.
    • The director's name for this music video has not been found in reliable sources. (For me, this means that his discography is incomplete and therefore can not be promoted to FL status.)
This is the case in Paul Kelly discography.
Bad case.
Okay then.
  • MVDBase isn't a reliable source!
MVDBase is used in a whopping 91 articles and their mostly discography articles, alot of which are featured lists. Please suggest an alternative? Can I use the liner notes from the singles?
Can I use the liner notes from the singles? → of course, use {{Cite album-notes}}
Should I use {{Cite album-notes}} or {{Cite music release notes}}?
I have retrieved the singles' liner notes, however the music video directors' names were not stated. I have referenced the the director of her music videos, "Rough Day" and "So Over You" with Jonathan and Josh Baker's official filmography site. I have since phoned Sony BMG, however they have stated that she is an inactive artist on their label, and cannot they help me with the concern. I have since phoned her new management, Revolutions Per Minute, who have informed me that they did not release her earlier material ("Rough Day" and "So Over You"), however they are currently contacting Paulini directly, asking her the directors names. Once these names are received, I will then be able to access the director's website or retrieve the director's resume/filmography, to reference them with reliable sources. Thankyou for your patience and co-operation in this matter. Hpfan9374 (talk) 05:00, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't have an external link?
No, it is not part of the featured list criteria. You supported my previous list, Ricki-Lee Coulter discography, without external links?
It's only a question. Cannibaloki 18:43, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
She doesn't, her official site is "closed", I don't really want to link to her social networking site, as I don't feel that would be appropriate and the only other site related to her is paulini.info and that's a mere fansite.
I feel I have made the necessary changes and addressed your concerns. Thankyou very much for your comments. I await your response to continue fixing the list's faults. Hpfan9374 (talk) 08:21, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Comments by Udonknome (talk · contribs)
  • Lead – Various issues:
  • "Paulini Curuenavuli, commonly known as Paulini is an..." – The rest of the discography refers to her as "Curuenavuli". I suggest you stick to the last name and remove the part in italics, or otherwise, stick to the first name.
She uses "Paulini" for her recordings, so I'll rather stick to the first name and keep the commonly known as Paulini is an..."
  • "an Australian, multi-platinum pop singer-songwriter." – The wikilink of two or more words/phrases next to each other is not recommended per MOS:LINK. As well, "multi-platinum" is unnecessary. Change to the wording to something like "is an Australian pop singer and songwriter".
Changed to "is an Australian pop singer and songwriter", as per your request.
  • "Curuenavuli came to prominence, after placing fourth" – Remove that she came to prominence, as this is regionally bias. She is hardly known outside of Australia, and she doesn't seem to be that popular either in her home country, as seen from the charts. Also, I doubt that the fact that she came fourth is notable in a discography article.
I've removed this sentence, as per your request.
  • "The release was a commercial success" – More POV. Let the numbers and statistics peak for themselves.
I've removed this sentence, as per your request, stating the statistics in the lead.
  • "including a number-one single" – Unnecessary link, as it doesn't had nothing to the context of the discography. You may want to read WP:OVERLINK, as this practice seems to be common throughout the lead.
Thanks for the link to WP:OVERLINK, I've had a read of it and removed the link to the List of number-one singles in Australia in 2004.
  • "The release received minor success," – Same as per above, minor or major success is highly subjective. I am sure there are lots of musicians that would love to have their music peak in a national music chart.
Indeed, I bet there as having a single peak in a national music chart means notability and warrants the artist an article.
  • Replace #70 with "number seventy". As well, the EP peaked at number seventy on the Australian Top 100 Albums Chart and not on the non-existent "ARIA Chart".
Replaced #70 with "number seventy", as per your request.
  • "The release also produced produced two top fifty singles" – An album doesn't produce singles. In addition, top fifty where?
Indeed, I have "fixed" the wording in the lead.
  • The word "release" and its variants are mentioned in six sentences in a row. Avoid such repetitions.
Sorry about that. I've cut it down to three sentences in the entire lead. Hope thats okay.
  • At the end, the lead mentions her work with a music group, yet this is nowhere reflected in the rest of the article. Keeping in mind that the lead should summarize the content of an article and that this is the Paulini Curuenavuli discography (and not the Young Divas discography), I suggest you remove this.
Alright. I'll attempt to achieve featured list-status for Young Divas discography later.
  • Is she signed to any record label? The lead should definitely mention this
I've included it in the first paragraph, the same place it is in several other featured discographies.
  • Overall, the lead is stubby and is not engaging, as required by #2 of the FL criteria.
Sorry about that too. I've rearranged the entire wording in the lead and hopefully it now satisfies #2 of the FL criteria.
  • In the album's tables, there is no point in having a column heading "Peak chart position" when underneath there is only an Australia column. It would be like having a column named "Certification" with underneath only "ARIA certifications"
I've changed it to "AUS chart peak" instead of having a column heading "Peak chart position" when underneath there is only an Australia column, as per your request.
  • As Cannibaloki said, "ARIA certifications (sales thresholds)". There is no point in linking to a list of music certifications by country, when there are only certifications from one country in the whole discography
Very well. I have removed "(sales thresholds)", as per your request.
  • In the extended plays section, why are 2 references necessary for one chart position? Same for the New Zealand singles chart column.
Two references were not necessary to reference one chart position in the extended plays section, and so I have removed one redundant reference. However, two references are required (surprisingly), for the New Zealand singles chart column, to reference that the Australian Idol single "Rise Up" did not chart, as this is just as important as referencing a charting single. The other reference in the New Zealand singles chart column is to reference her debut single, "Angel Eyes".
  • In the music video table, change the heading "Song" to "Title".
Replaced "Song" to "Title", as per your request.
  • In the music video table, remove "Unknown" along the note. It's just ridiculous. MVDbase is not considered a reliable source either. Overall, only one out of the five alleged videos are backed up by reliable sources.
Removed "Unknown" along the note. MVDBase is used in a whopping 91 articles and their mostly discography articles, alot of which are featured lists. Please suggest an alternative? Can I use the liner notes from the singles?
Should I use {{Cite album-notes}} or {{Cite music release notes}}?
I have retrieved the singles' liner notes, however the music video directors' names were not stated. I have referenced the the director of her music videos, "Rough Day" and "So Over You" with Jonathan and Josh Baker's official filmography site. I have since phoned Sony BMG, however they have stated that she is an inactive artist on their label, and cannot they help me with the concern. I have since phoned her new management, Revolutions Per Minute, who have informed me that they did not release her earlier material ("Rough Day" and "So Over You"), however they are currently contacting Paulini directly, asking her the directors names. Once these names are received, I will then be able to access the director's website or retrieve the director's resume/filmography, to reference them with reliable sources. Thankyou for your patience and co-operation in this matter. Hpfan9374 (talk) 05:00, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The note indicating that "Receive the Power" "was selected as the anthem of World Youth Day 2008" is not relevant to a discography. Such information should be covered in the song's article, if it isn't already.
Removed the note indicating that "Receive the Power" "was selected as the anthem of World Youth Day 2008", as per your request. This information is covered in the song's article. Thanks for your help in clearing this up.
  • Correct the number of "other appearances" in the Infobox.
Replaced the number "1" to "2" in the "other appearances" section of the Infobox.

There are more issues and ways for improvement for this discography, so I'll have to oppose this now. Do U(knome)? yes...or no 03:17, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I feel I have made the necessary changes and addressed your concerns. Thankyou very much for your comments. I await your response to continue fixing the list's faults. Thanks again Hpfan9374 (talk) 11:50, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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