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The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 22:03:03 18 August 2019 (UTC) [1].

List of songs recorded by David Bowie edit

List of songs recorded by David Bowie (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): – zmbro (talk) 23:59, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Another song list. Another British artist. This time the legendary Starman himself David Bowie. After seeing that his discography and awards lists are FLs and his main page is an FA, I felt his song list should be the same. It covers Bowie's entire career, from 1965 to 2016, and includes the material from his 1989–92 band Tin Machine. As always, I'm looking forward to any comments or concerns you might have. Happy editing! :-) – zmbro (talk) 23:59, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • "including producers Tony Visconti and Brian Eno and singer Iggy Pop". Replace the first 'and' with a comma.
  • Period missing in alt texts.
  • Note no. t should be sourced.

Yashthepunisher (talk) 10:36, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yashthepunisher All done. Thanks very much :-) – zmbro (talk) 17:08, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments

Only got time to look at the lead now, will do the rest later.....

  • "Beginning his career under the name "Davy Jones"" - don't think the quote marks are needed, especially given that it was his real name
  • "Bowie released several singles with multiple backing bands" - lose the word "several", as it could be taken as meaning that he recorded several singles, each with multiple backing bands
  • "Following his psychedelic pop self-titled debut album" is a little bit "sea of blue". Maybe slip "-influenced" after psychedelic pop to break it up a bit.....?
  • "the album introduced the world to Bowie" - not sure this wording is 100% accurate. His previous album had hit the top 10 in the UK and the top 40 in many other countries, and if anything Ziggy wasn't significantly more successful in chart terms at that point. Obviously it has gone to be regarded as a legendary album, but I am not sure it's true to say that in 1972 it "introduced the world" to Bowie
  • Yeah you're right. Changed to "the album launched Bowie to international stardom and introduced his glam rock style" that better?
  • "notably on its title track" => "notably its title track"
  • "throughout the 1980's" - no apostrophe in 1980s
  • "Tin Machine, who explored alternative and grunge styles before they were particularly well-known" - it took me a couple of readings to realise that you mean that the styles were not well-known, as opposed to the band. Any way this could be re-worded?
  • Changed to "who explored alternative and grunge styles before the genres were particularly well-known;"

HTH -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:38, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

More comments
  • Writers for "Without You I'm Nothing" and "Sorry" should be coloured blue but currently aren't
  • Whoops
  • Some covers aren't denoted as such. For example, "Working Class Hero" is a John Lennon cover and "Love Missile F1 Eleven" is a Sigue Sigue Sputnik cover, but neither is noted.
  • Fixed
  • On the subject of covers, "I Wish you Would" is listed as a Yardbirds cover, but their version was itself a cover of the original by Billy Boy Arnold.
  • My bad, fixed
  • Notes b, m, t, w are not full sentences so don't need full stops
  • Conversely notes c, e, g, n, s, u are missing full stops

Think that's it from me -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:06, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ChrisTheDude All done. Thanks very much! – zmbro (talk) 13:58, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I can still see some covers which aren't noted as such, e.g. "Try Some Buy Some" is a Ronnie Spector cover, "Dancing in the Street" is a Martha and the Vandellas cover, etc. I would suggest double checking every song not written by Bowie himself...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:07, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
ChrisTheDude Alright I think I got all of them. Can't believe I missed those, but with over 400 songs in one table I'm bound to miss something. Thanks so much. :-) – zmbro (talk) 14:48, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quick comment – Ref 13 has an incorrect year of publication for the Buckley cite, and refs 18 and 24 are also generating red error messages for me (you may not see them without a script, but they should still be fixed). It looks like you didn't put rev=harv into the full source citation for the book used in refs 18 and 24; maybe that will fix the issue with them. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:16, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Giants2008 Whoops must've missed those when adding them. All good now, thanks. :-) – zmbro (talk) 00:25, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The Car & Murray refs are still coming up with error messages for me. I think you have to go into the bibliography and add Template:SfnRef to each entry to create an anchor for the cites. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:55, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Giants2008 Fixed – zmbro (talk) 01:37, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from SNUGGUMS
  • "Notably" is inappropriate tone and a personal opinion, see WP:EDITORIALIZING – Done
  • "greater pop sound" is subjective; different people have different thoughts on what makes pop "great" or "greater" than other tracks in its genre
  • Changed to "more art pop"
  • "hits" is not very encyclopedic – Fixed
  • The lead only mentions singles when talking about specific songs. As this page isn't exclusively about those, it should also include non-singles (i.e. I'd name the new tracks from his New Plan EP). – Done
  • I'm not sure work with bands should be included in the tables when this is supposed to be more about his career as a solo artist. Take for example how List of songs recorded by Beyoncé doesn't go into Destiny's Child material, and List of songs recorded by Justin Timberlake excludes NSYNC work. Mentioning he was with groups in the lead, however, is fine.
  • Yeah I really wasn't sure about the use of Tin Machine. I originally removed them back in 2017 but re-added them this year primarily because it was Bowie's way of re-energizing his career after his period of decline in the 1980s. I'll remove them again as what you're saying makes sense.
  • Remove the "Indicates song released as a single" key from tables; that makes them too single-centric when this page isn't supposed to be a singles discography and shouldn't be treated as such.
  • I've noted singles in most of my other FLs so I don't think it's that big of a deal

Hopefully my comments help. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 02:25, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

SNUGGUMS All done. Thanks for the comments :-) – zmbro (talk) 22:14, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Better, but I'd add more non-singles to the lead (such as covers of other artists' tracks he didn't write or co-write) and remove that "singles" key from tables as that puts too much focus on them when this lost isn't exclusively about those. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 23:02, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
SNUGGUMS I'm really stuck on extending the lead more since it's already pretty long as it is. Would something like mentioning the fact that he covered songs by artists such as the Beatles, the Who, the Pretty Things, and the Pixies over his career after "and was the primary songwriter for many of his songs" work well? I think I've done well with describing every one of his albums, especially his influential releases of the 1970s, and I don't feel like I should say more for releases like his covers album Pin Ups more than the Berlin Trilogy. – zmbro (talk) 18:19, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't suggesting you have to name them all in prose (maybe I should've made that more explicit before), just that adding some would help add diversity. You can choose which ones to list there, preferably more than one. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 19:11, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
SNUGGUMS Added the fact that covered a couple of bands and made mention of "Moonage Daydream" and "Suffragette City". That work or would you like to see a little more? – zmbro (talk) 18:10, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Looking good now, so I support this for FL. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 19:16, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Source review – Since nobody has done one yet, I suppose that I'll jump in here. After the fixes earlier, the formatting is now fine throughout. The references are all reliable, and the link-checker shows that the links are all in working order. In short, everything looks good on the sourcing front. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:14, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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