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List of notable brain tumor patients edit

Wikipedia has yet to feature a list of people and I hope this is worthy of becoming the first. This subject is important in part because brain tumors are a leading form of childhood cancer. Overall survival statistics are not encouraging. Lists of famous people who have had this illness tend to be incomplete, out of date, or inaccurate. This presents nearly 60 people organized by professional field. Every entry includes supporting information and a reliable reference. Self-nom. Durova 06:20, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Questions did all the people who have no info in the "survival" column die because of the brain tumor? Can you prove this list is reasonably complete? (for instance, you only list one scientist). Are you implying that cricket players are not people? ;-) -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 14:36, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • This list does not speculate about cause of death. It only verifies with reasonable certainty that these people did have brain tumors. This information can be hard to locate through biographical and obituary reports: published sources often omit cause of death or refer only to generic "cancer." The blank spaces in the survival column refer to instances where chronological information about diagnosis and treatment is unavailable. In most if not all of these instances, however, the reports state or imply that the tumor was indeed the cause of death. Brain tumors as a class have among the highest rates of cancer mortality. Medicine does not designate long term survivors as "cured."
    • Regarding completeness, this is a revised and modified version of a list I compiled five years ago that had an enthusiastic reception within the brain tumor community. The American Brain Tumor Association sought me out to request a copy. It was by far the most complete list of its kind. I asked the community not to publish it because, in its original form, it also included celebrities who were immediate family to a brain tumor patient. Those people could help public awareness in more substantial ways. The original list is still in circulation. Parts of it appear on recent Internet pages. It was due for a revision with updated links, reverification, and new cases. Durova 16:32, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Support I'm happy with these answers. Although I do think you should make it clearer what the empty spaces in survival stand for. -- Rune Welsh

Is it possible to have a tumor in your chest? | ταλκ 17:49, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

        • I've amended the introduction to reflect your concerns. Thank you for expressing them in a productive manner. Durova 18:39, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Other articles with more extensive and encyclopedic content should be considered over lists. While lists are valuable you generally don't find lists of people as separate articles in encyclopedias. They are usually included on the articles on the subject matter the list is applicable to. -- SusanLarson (User Talk, New talk, Contribs) 22:55, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, I am usually not in favor of the listomania, but I think this particular list is useful. It shows that you still have a hope for the productive life even if you are diagnosed with a brain tumor, it also make people aware that even been rich and famous does not make you immune to the disease, that may help to rise funds for the research in the area. The list is very well sourced and appear to be reasonably complete and stable. It does not duplicate any available Categories and has heaps of useful information besides just the links to the people's bios. abakharev 02:28, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I apologize I was in a rush and when I posted and thought this said featured articles. My sincere apologies, It is solely my mistake. -- SusanLarson (User Talk, New talk, Contribs) 00:08, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No offense, but this is more an argument against there being Wikipedia:Featured lists at all. Discussion of that should probably be on the talk page for featured lists or the talk page here. That said I'm uncertain as this list is pretty new and I'm somehow uncomfortable with a list being declared a featured list after a few days of, admittedly impressive, effort.--T. Anthony 23:21, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've taken the liberty of submitting this early because most of the effort is actually five years old. Would you be reassured if I provide websites and discussions within the brain tumor community that quote the original list? Perhaps SusanLarson's disagreement with me at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Japanese artists colors her vote. Wikipedia has 157 articles and 25 subcategories under Category:Lists of people. Durova 23:46, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It had nothing to do with that discussion and everything with me misreading the title of this page. see my apology above. -- SusanLarson (User Talk, New talk, Contribs) 00:11, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you and best wishes. Durova 00:29, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - comprehensive list, very well structured and well referenced. The discussion at the beginning of this nomination, and the history of the list itself is interesting. Rossrs 06:52, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - the best list I've seen in this project so far. Although I don't approve of Wikipedia Listmania, I welcome more informative and referenced lists like this one. Let it be example for others. --Ghirla | talk 13:58, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I had some hesitancy, but there's a good deal of effort and research here.--T. Anthony 12:22, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - nice work. --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 16:47, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - in the article naming conventions, the rule about list articles specifically says not to include the words "notable", "prominent", etc., In this respect wikipedia has a single rule: if a person has a wikipedia article, he is notable (or vice versa). While the "definition" of the list reasonably includes the criterion of notability, as I see it, the article title should be List of persons with brain tumor ("patient" is a wrong term as well. Some notable cases were diagnosed BT only posthumously) (I copied this comment to the talk page, since this would be a proper place for discussion) Mukadderat 22:38, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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