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List of Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue cover models

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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page. The closing editor's comments were: 12 days, 1 support, 2 oppose. Fail. Scorpion0422 01:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This list has been created as part of an experiment. I am interested in the perception of pop culture lists against a broader field of lists as it pertains to a WP:LOTD effort that will begin this week. This list is about as pop culture intensive as it gets. I am aware that due to difficulties in establishing the notability of earlier models the list has a few redlinks since their articles have not been created. Furthermore, certain nationalities seem to be difficult to obtain. However, the list is accurate and complete for the first two columns. I would be willing to revise it to a reverse chronological order, which might make the early information sparsity less troublesome.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 20:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose:
    • What is the point of that second paragraph? It's like you accidentally posted it into the article from an essay justifying lists of cover people.
      • Some may not see the point of having a separate list from Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue. It is important to say that being on the cover of Sports illustrated is important and in general it is noteworthy to keep account of magazine cover appearances. I would like to find such a list for one or two top fashion magazines, but did not find such a list on a cursory web scan.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 01:43, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Has there been anyone connecting the SI Jinx to the Swimsuit Issue? If not, no need to really mention it, except maybe to say they haven't.  Y In the absence of evidence of immediate loss of beauty, excessive bad hair days and inability to smile, I have added a sentence saying no association seems to exist with the swimsuit issue. However, this may have trouble passing for WP:AWW. Any thoughts.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 18:50, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Needs a short mention of what the swimsuit issue is and its significance.  Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 01:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • The "facts" section is not worth one entry; note it in the table, or add a lot more facts.  Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 01:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • You need a better way to show 'unknown nationality' than dashes, which in tables tends to imply 'none'.  Y I changed the dashes to blanks. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 18:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Likewise, I don't think the dashes are needed in the notes column when there are in fact no notes. Blank is fine, but others may disagree.  Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 01:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • An explanation of the letters about the cover and the cancellations for 1978 would be useful; I look at the cover and see no problems.  Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 19:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • This has nothing to do with you, but a weird quirk I'd like to see if others have: When I click a reference at the bottom, ref 61 disappears or moves to the other column. It's weird. --Golbez 23:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Re-evaluating: The justification paragraph still needs to go, and as long as nationality information is lacking for some models, I don't think the list is complete enough to be featured. --Golbez 18:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Definately a good start, and definately a cool idea for a list, but it just doesn't seem complete. The writing in the introduction is generally pretty questionable and unecyclopedic, the nationality column is incomplete, and some of the notes in the Notes section seem unrelated. What does an article being the 40th anniversary have to do with who was on the cover? Also, I would highly recommend making the first two columns sortable. Drewcifer 09:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reply The list of cover models is complete. Due to the non-notability of some early models, when the girl next door was chosen instead of the supermodel, the birthplaces/citizenships are not readily available. The question is whether this is part of the list or not. Could the list be submitted without this column? Yes Would it be a better list if it was? no. The notes are quite related to the cover. Special anniversary cover models are special. The 25th is probably more important in some ways to the 40th. However, both are notable. This is not the anniversary of the magazine, but the swimsuit edition that is being noted. I had hoped Sports Illustrated would respond to their online query tool that they say they resond to within 2 days, but I have received no response. I think the introduction is O.K., but would accept more directed feedback.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 20:23, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Updated Reply I have added sorability, but don't know how to do it for specific columns. I also had to change the date format to a less pretty format to make it sortable.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 18:32, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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