- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 19:06, 11 July 2009 [1].
- Nominator(s): Guyinblack25 talk 16:52, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I just moved this list from a draft in my user space to article space, but had been working on it on and off for about a year. I tried to make this list as comprehensive as I could, but omitted clones which tried to capitalize on the original's frame; mainly because most are non-notable.
There is one source which could be construed as dubious: Handheld Museum. I used a page that has photos of the subject in question that displayed the copyright year in the image. The specific link is here. Other reliable sources have described the Handheld Museum as a reliable resource.
- CNET Asia- an article that was originally on Tech Republic.
- Kotaku- an article from one of their associate editors.
- Retro Gamer- issue 42 p. 107. (Sorry no online version)
- Author David Ellis- listed them as an additional resource in his book Official Price Guide to Classic Video Games. (Sorry no online version)
Any comments are welcome and would be appreciated. Thanks. (Guyinblack25 talk 16:52, 25 June 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Comment Spaced en dashes should be used as spaced separators instead of em dashes (see List of Kirby media). Dabomb87 (talk) 00:39, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Switched. Thanks for the catch. (Guyinblack25 talk 05:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Comment: Per Wikipedia:MOSNUM#Date_autoformatting, it's no longer desirable to wikilink dates (including release dates).-- Nomader (Talk) 05:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, and can we have them converted to a more readable format? Dabomb87 (talk) 13:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:33, 27 June 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Comments from -- Nomader (Talk)
- Lead
- It also inspired several other games. – The sentence seems a bit isolated. Could you either list some examples in the sentence (i.e. It also inspired several other games, including F-Zero X and the Metroid series)?
- List and References
- For citation #24, you listed the author as the IGN Staff (and linked to this page at IGN) when in fact it's a Nintendo press release (the same page can be seen here on Nintendo's site). The author needs to be changed accordingly.
- WonderSwan and Playstation 2 were never wikilinked in the list -- the first appearance of a console should be linked in the system release section.
That's about it for my kind of brief look through. I'm not too experienced with these things, so I probably didn't catch a lot of stuff -- but from what I saw, the list looks stellar, good job Guyinblack. If you can make those few changes, I'll support. -- Nomader (Talk) 04:32, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I addressed your comments about the list and refs. For the lead, I used a semicolon to connect that sentence with the proceeding one. Hopefully, that'll explain it better. I tried downplaying the clones for two reasons: I felt the focus should be on the real games and digging up sources for the many different SI-inspired shooters is kind of tough. That's why I put Galaxian in the "See also" section; it's the most notable game based on SI. Let me know if it still needs tweaking. (Guyinblack25 talk 13:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC))[reply]
- Support Problems have been fixed, looks good. -- Nomader (Talk) 16:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Check the toolbox to your right; there is a dead link. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:59, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I found another page on Taito's website to source. Let me know if there's anything else. (Guyinblack25 talk 22:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Resolved comments from Truco
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- Comments from Truco (talk · contribs)
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- General
- Lead
- Space Invaders (スペースインベーダー, Supēsu Inbēdā?) is a Japanese, shooting video game released in 1978 by Taito. -- No need for the comma.
- It was developed by Tomohiro Nishikado who drew inspiration from other media: Breakout, The War of the Worlds, and Star Wars. -- +Comma before who drew
- The games have received different receptions; the Atari 2600 port of the original became the video game industry's first "killer app", while some sequels were regarded as insignificant updates -- The semi-colon should be a colon.
- It also inspired several other games; many companies created clones that copied its gameplay, while others built upon the original's gameplay. -- Semi-colon should be a colon.
- The lead should summarize the list a bit more, such as stating what has been the most recent release, which platform has had the most releases, etc.
- List
- Remove the periods from the notes which are not complete sentences, there are many of them.--Truco 503 22:20, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I've addressed your comments except for the semicolon/colon issue. I thought colons were not meant to combine two sentences like that. I've been using semicolons to connect related sentences. Would you mind clarifying why a colon is more appropriate? (Guyinblack25 talk 23:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC))[reply]
- See Colon (punctuation)#Usage.--Truco 503 22:22, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, I've seen that. However, I used semicolons in the list and several other articles based on Semicolon#English usage. So my question is which is most applicable (an appositive or closely related independent clauses) and why? (Guyinblack25 talk 02:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC))[reply]
- Okay, ignore point 4 in my lead review. However, for the other one you need a colon because of point 2 in this link under the colon section. Semicolons are mainly used to compare or as a replacement for and, while a colon combines/separates sentences while still maintaining the original meaning.Truco 503 02:55, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Stupid English grammar. Still not quite wrapping my head around it, but I've made the change. :-p Thanks for the explanation and link. (Guyinblack25 talk 03:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC))[reply]
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- Support -- Previous issues resolved/clarified; list now meets WP:WIAFL.--Truco 503 01:26, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
FYI: I removed the Handheld Museum reference and replaced it with a book reference. I also did a little condensing of content related to the LCD games. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:44, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
| Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
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Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
- "Taito" No link?
- "who drew inspiration from other media"-->who was inspired by other media
- "gameplay options; for example, moving defense bunkers, zigzag shots, invisible aliens, and two-player modes."-->gameplay options, including moving defense bunkers, zigzag shots, invisible aliens, and two-player modes.
- "many of which have also been remade on multiple platforms including home consoles and handheld devices. " Remove "also", and comma before "including".
- "It
also inspired several other"
- Notes that aren't complete sentences shouldn't have periods at the end. For example: "Attributed to a shortage of yen in Japan, which led to an increase in production of 100-yen coins."
- "Early 1980s handheld electronic versions are consider collectables." Wrong tense
- Mininvaders: "It was released only in Japan." No source?
- "two player mode"-->two-player mode
- "commercially-released" No hyphen after -ly adverbs.
- "original's 25th-anniversary and Taito's 50th-anniversary." No hyphens.
- "plug and play game controller"-->plug-and-play game controller
- "The title is a compilation of Taito's classic arcade games." Source? I see several notes of this nature that aren't source; is there a reason for this?
- I'm assuming that non-linked games have no chance of having an article created?
- Unusual, but I think the See also note (released in 1979) needs a reference, especially since the main article doesn't reference it.
- "Coca-Cola Company "-->The Coca-Cola Company
- "Colecovision"-->ColecoVision Dabomb87 (talk) 15:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Dabomb, I've made the changes you suggested above. In regard to the statements without citations, I tried consolidating statements to a single citation. So if a note is missing a citation, the information will be found in the citation of the next note. All the "compilation of classic arcades" are like that.
- I believe most non-linked game do not have enough notable content to be created. I did not come across much for them in my research for Space Invaders and this list. One of the reasons I started the list was to give them a home. In fact, most that are already linked and the ones in {{Space Invaders}} should probably not exist. I may redirect them here down the road. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Oppose until alternative text for images is added (discussion). Dabomb87 (talk) 01:24, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I went ahead and added it for Guyinblack. I think it should be satisfactory, feel free to note if it isn't. Out of curiosity though, is this a criterion yet for FLCs? -- Nomader (Talk) 02:22, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Criterion 5b. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:23, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah, alright cheers. Either way, I added the alt text for the image. -- Nomader (Talk) 02:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, tries as I have I can't really come up with anything except maybe suggest that all game titles are linked even if no article exists right now, WP:RED would indicate that this may be a good idea, but that's just a suggestion on my part. MPJ-DK (talk) 17:10, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I made that suggestion too. See Guyinblack's response in the capped comments above. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:12, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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