Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of San Diego Chargers head coaches/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted 19:50, 9 May 2008.

List of San Diego Chargers head coaches edit

Self-nomination Nicely done list, and accurate. Well referenced, and cited. I think it meets all criteria. Milk’s Favorite Cookie ^(Talk) 15:20, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from WBOSITG (talk · contribs)

~~The second bolding in the lead is unnecessary and should be replaced by a link.~~
Why all the brackets and acronyms? They don't seem necessary to me.
including coaches of the Los Angeles Chargers (1961), should be rephrased, perhaps to who formed in 1961.

before joining the NFL (1970): in 1970?

~~It's not categorised! Gah! :P~~

All I've got so far. weburiedoursecrets inthegarden 21:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done Milk’s Favorite Cookie ^(Talk) 22:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think Peanut says it best about the brackets. I still think this needs some work on the lead, but not enough of a bad job to make me oppose. weburiedoursecrets inthegarden 16:07, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, mainly because the lead is fairly light on work.
- ~~"They are currently members of the Western Division of the American Football Conference" No need to say currently as per WP:DATE~~
- ~~Sid Gillman was elected to the Hall of Fame, but the list only has this as colour-coded. The colour is fine but another way of presenting this information is also needed.~~
That's it for now. Peanut4 (talk) 22:58, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done + expanded lead. Milk’s Favorite Cookie ^(Talk) 20:05, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- The lead is still fairly short. And the prose isn't up to scratch.
  - "The only coach for the Los Angeles Chargers was Sid Gillman, also the only Hall of Fame coach in the Chargers franchise." This doesn't make much sense, probably ought to say something like "...Gillman, who is ..."
  - "The current coach for the Chargers is Norv Turner, who has led the team to a win in the playoffs for the first time since Bobby Ross in 1992." Again the latter part of this doesn't make sense. Did Turner lead the team to the playoffs in 1992?
  - "The Chargers won one AFL title in 1963" The article is about the coaches, tell us who the coach was in 1963.
  - "There have only been four coaches to lead the team into the playoffs." This is probably self-referenced in the table but is there another reference for this?
- Is there any chance you could make the list sortable so we can sort the coaches by their records? I.e. most wins, percentage, etc. Peanut4 (talk) 20:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - It's getting better but I would still like to see the lead being longer. It only scratches the surface of the coaches. Why was each one hired/fired? What did they all achieve? Check out the featured list List of Manchester City F.C. managers to see what could be achieved with a chronological history of each coach. Finally the ref you have added for the four coaches to reach the playoffs doesn't seem to answer that question. Peanut4 (talk) 01:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Peanut4, could you tell us how long you think the lead should be? Some specifics would be good. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not love)} 20:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - I know enough about American football to enjoy watching it, but don't know loads about each team or their coaches. Reading this doesn't increase my knowledge much. Featured entries should be the best in Wikipedia and be encyclopedic to all. Why not go through a chronological history of why each was hired or fired, what they all achieved? Try some research in books or the internet, or read each coaches' own WP entry. It doesn't mention Sid Gillman's "West Coast offense,", Don Coryell's place in the Chargers hall of fame, why Bobby Ross won each of his awards, the spat disagreement between Schottenheimer and club owner Dean Spanos. At the moment it's a bare list of stats with some marginally other info. Peanut4 (talk) 21:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        Alright, thanks. I figured from above that you wanted some sort of history section like the one in List of Manchester City F.C. managers. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not love)} 21:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        I'll let you decide how to do it, because there are a number of ways probably. At the moment I feel the prose simply provides a small summary of the list, rather than supplements it with a full history and details. Peanut4 (talk) 21:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Looking pretty good. Some comments though:
- "Gillman was the only coach for the Los Angeles Chargers and was the only Hall of Fame coach in the Chargers franchise." Shouldn't the second "was" be an "is"? Is there a wl for "Hall of Fame"?
- I'd possibly list the other coaches to lead the Chargers to the play-offs in the lead in the relevant section at the end. Possibly not essential though.
- I think the history section needs a more chronological structure to it, rather than jump between facts, e.g. Gillman is first par, Turner the second. The third par starts in 1996, runs through the 50s and 70s and comes full circle back to 1996 again.
- The first par is great but doesn't put into context, Gillman taking over at the Chargers and his use of the West Coast defence.
- If there are any more images that can be used, the history section would be a good place to use another.
Very good start. Keep this up, and you'll have a great list on your hands. Peanut4 (talk) 22:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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