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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 22:39, 27 June 2009 [1].

List of New York Yankees managers edit

Nominator(s): Rlendog (talk) 15:14, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets the criteria. Rlendog (talk) 15:14, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Before I oppose or support here are a couple of comments.

  • I recommend splitting the lead it seems a bit long and is extremely detailed to be the lead. --Kumioko (talk) 13:52, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reference 72 appears to be a dead link. It gets a 404 error. --Kumioko (talk) 13:52, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you for your comments. I shortened the lead and replaced the dead link. Rlendog (talk) 21:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Chrishomingtang

Comment

  • I agree with the above that the lead is too long.
  • Some items have 6 or 8 refs. Is it necessary? It affects the visual appeal

—Chris! ct 19:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • Thank you for your comments. I shortened the lead and replaced some of the refs, so now I don't need as many. Rlendog (talk) 21:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - good work —Chris! ct 00:36, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from KV5
Comments from KV5
  • Unless there is a specific rationale for doing otherwise, references should be in numerical order. I know that some postseason links in the table are going to be out of order; the ones I am looking at specifically right now are in the footnotes.
  • There has been a lot of debate over calling the World Series a "world championship" (though I agree with the usage); since it's really more of a marketing term, I would shy away from that usage. Prefer "World Series championship" instead.
  • Because it's being used in potentially featured content, the New York Yankees managers template should use en-dashes, not hyphens. I also changed the box to link directly to this article.
    • I fixed this with Brighterorange's script. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:33, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Blank cells should be em-dashes, not en-dashes.

Other than that, this looks great. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 01:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • Thank you for your comments. I believe I have addressed them. Rlendog (talk) 02:16, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I personally think the length of the lead is fine; it's very detailed. Therefore, I support. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 11:34, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco

Comments

General
  • Dabs, external links check out fine.
Lead
  • 'The New York Yankees are a professional baseball team based in The Bronx, New York, the northernmost of the five boroughs of New York City. ' -- Is it really necessary to state the fact about the boroughs? It just seems irrelevant to me.
  • 'The franchise's first manager was Hall of Famer John McGraw, who managed the team for one year and part of a second. The team moved from Baltimore to New York in 1903, ' -- If you keep the part in the first sentence, then remove the link to NYC here because its WP:OVERLINK
  • 'Casey Stengel managed the team from 1949 until 1960, winning ten American League championships and seven World Series titles and won 1,149 games, which ranks 3rd among Yankee managers.' --> Casey Stengel managed the team from 1949 until 1960, winning ten American League championships, seven World Series titles, and 1,149 games, which ranks 3rd among Yankee managers.
  • 'From 1974 until 1995 no Yankee managerial term lasted as long as three complete seasons.' -- Comma after 1995
  • 'Joe Torre managed the Yankees from 1996 through 2007 and made the playoffs each season.' -- Well he didn't make the playoffs, but he managed the team towards the playoffs.
  • 'His predecessor, Buck Showalter also was named Manager of the Year in 1994.' -- Comma after 'Buck Showalter'
  • 'Torre left after the 2007 and was replaced by Joe Girardi.' -- I'm guessing this was suppose to read, left after the 2007 season?
Notes
  • 'The Yankees had three managers during their World Series Championship season of 1978, Billy Martin, Dick Howser and Bob Lemon. ' -- Use a colon instead of a comma after '1978'
References
  • Link MLB.--Truco 503 00:10, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your comments. I believe I have addressed them. Rlendog (talk) 02:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- Previous issues resolved/clarified; list now meets WP:WIAFL.--Truco 503 19:34, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Truco's resolved review. – (iMatthew • talk) at 01:28, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008
*Comments –
  • "The team moved from Baltimore to New York in 1903, where it was initially known as the New York Highlanders." Shouldn't be having "where" come directly after a year like this. Maybe move "in 1903" to the beginning of the sentence?
  • "Huggins won a total of 1,067 regular season games with the Yankees, which ranks 4th all-time among Yankee managers." Drop "a total of" and switch 4th to fourth.
  • "until midway through the 1946 season, during which...". Sounds like he had all of his accomplishments in part of one season. Please clarify that this is for the entire period, as is intended.
  • Cite for Stengel having a front office job after he stopped managing the team?
  • Link the Manager of the Year Award in the lead.
  • "and was replaced by Joe Girardi. Girardi is the current manager of the New York Yankees." Not great to have a word appear back-to-back like this.
  • Redundancy: "Several managers have had multiple tenures as the Yankees' manager." Why not "Several managers have had multiple tenures with the Yankees."?
  • Note c: "and Bob Lemon. Lemon...". More repetitive phrasing. Giants2008 (17-14) 22:18, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for your comments. I believe I have addressed them. Rlendog (talk) 22:32, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Found two more things on a second look:

  • "and 1,149 games, which ranks 3rd among Yankee managers." 3rd → third.
  • The dashes used in Joe Girardi's row don't match the larger ones used for everyone else. Giants2008 (17-14) 20:14, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hope Rlendog doesn't mind, but I was looking for something to do besides the giant craziness in my sandbox, so I fixed these minor issues. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 23:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support – As a Yankees fan, I'm happy that this list turned out well. Took a couple of readings, but I think it's there now. Giants2008 (17-14) 20:06, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from SRE.K.A.L.24

Though a BoSox fan, I'm still a Wikipedia editor. Here are my comments:

  • Best managers list by far.
  • For the first paragraph, would be nice to include the current owner and current general manager.
  • Could note the the Baltimore Orioles of 1901 does not have any relations with the current Baltimore Orioles.
  • You didn't mention that the Yankees have the most World Series wins.
  • You also didn't mention that Joe Torre leads in all the playoff categories, except for pennants.
  • It would be nice if you could write more about Billy Martin supposedly replacing Bucky Dent for the 1990 MLB season.
  • Sorry for the late comments. Hope you could finish these by 0:00UTC, and hope that Scorpion promotes this today.

-- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 22:03, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you for the compliment and the comments. I believe I have addressed all the comments, except the most World Series wins. That didn't seem to fit so naturally in an article specifically about the Yankees' managers. Rlendog (talk) 21:26, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Baltimore Orioles thing now needs a reference, the most World Series wins sentence could be added onto the first paragraph, and it's pretty funny how the fourth paragraph is talking about Torre in every sentence. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 22:46, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I took care of the 1st two items. I wasn't sure what, if anything, you suggest be done with the 4th paragraph, although actually, the 1st sentence is not about Torre and the last two are really about Torre's predecessor and successor. Rlendog (talk) 00:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Was just exaggerating. How does the reference for the Baltimore Orioles sentence cite the sentence? -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 00:47, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • It shows that the origin of the current Orioles is the old St. Louis Browns team, not the current Yankees or old Baltimore Orioles team.Rlendog (talk) 01:48, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Though I still suggest you find a better reference for the Orioles sentence. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments re - John McGraw - you might mention that he managed the rival New York Giants during the period the Giants dominated New York baseball.
  • re Billy Martin - I'd like to see a total of how many wins, how many losses and what was his winning .pct as a Yankee manager, perhaps as a sum up of his record 5 times as Yankee manager. I suppose you can also sum up Houk, Piniella, Lemon, Berra, Howser and Gene Michael, but Martin's record is significant.
  • re-ownership of the teams...A mention of the different periods of ownership would be helpful - The Steinbrenner era, the Pre-Ruthian Era, the Ruth - Gehrig - Dimaggio Dynasty, The Mantle - Berra - Ford Dynasty etc....Modernist (talk) 03:03, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you for your comments. I added a comment about McGraw's future tenure with the Giants. I did not go into detail about McGraw's Giants' accomplishments though, since that is already addressed in List of San Francisco Giants managers, where it better fits. I think the information you are looking for on Billy Martin's and the others' totals is included in the section List of New York Yankees managers#Managers with multiple tenures. I did not really discuss the ownership eras because, other than Steinbrenner, I don't think any are particularly important to an article about managers, and the lead is pretty long already. After all, Jacob Ruppert owned the team from 1915-1945, but the team didn't miss a beat after Dan Topping, Del Webb, and Larry MacPhail took over that year. Also, defining eras by player combinations is somewhat arbitrary. For example, Huggins basically covers the Babe Ruth era, McCarthy basically the DiMaggio era and Stengel the Mantle era - but Houk and Berra also managed Mantle championship teams, others managed DiMaggio championship teams, and Huggins did not manage Ruth's final championship team. Rlendog (talk) 21:34, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support...Modernist (talk) 23:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Seems to easily fulfill all the criteria. Ian Fahey (talk) 00:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "winning ten American League championships, seven World Series titles, and 1,149 games" Comparative quantities have to be spelled out the same (either all numbers or all words) per WP:MOSNUM.
  • "He had a second term as Yankee manager" I think "served" is stronger than "had".
  • "Torre also was named "
  • "but he was fired" Dabomb87 (talk) 16:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for your comments. I have addressed them, although I am not certain that the numbers in the first example are really "comparable". I guess I get confused on that criterion. Rlendog (talk) 16:52, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think they count as comparable because they are all under the umbrella of the verb "winning". KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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