Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of New York Mets managers/archive2

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Matthewedwards 08:08, 18 July 2009 [1].

List of New York Mets managers

Nominator(s): Mm40 (talk), Blackwatch21

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meets the criteria. The lead (and rest of the article) was modeled off of List of Philadelphia Phillies managers, a FL. I am leaving on Wednesday, and Juliancolton has agreed to deal with any issues that come up after I leave. Mm40 (talk) 02:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Uhh... Shouldn't User:Blackwatch21 also get the nomination credit? From the article history, it looks obvious that he is the initial contributor. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote the lead and added the general managers section, but I suppose you're right, I'll notify him and add him as a nominator. Mm40 (talk) 10:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support-Looks great, and has suitable references. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:20, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco

Comments from Truco (talk · contribs)

General

Dabs, external links check out fine.

Lead

Of those 19 managers, none have been "player-managers";[1] Yogi Berra did, however, play four games while he was a coach for the 1965 Mets. -- 1)No need for the quotation marks for player-manager 2)This sentence contradicts itself, since Berra was actually a player-manager.

Quotes removed. Actually, this isn't a contradiction, because Berra was only a coach at the time, not a manager.

A bigger problem is that Joe Torre actually was a player-manager in 1977, but I think I've fixed that. Rlendog (talk) 18:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That works =]--Tru co ₅₀₃ 22:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This was the beginning of seven losing seasons,[1] a season where the winning percentage is below .500, and the most losses by a post-1900 MLB team. -- This is should be a was

Done

Gil Hodges and Johnson are the only Mets managers to win a World Series: Hodges in 1969 against the Baltimore Orioles; and Johnson in 1986 against the Boston Red Sox. -- The semicolon should be removed

Done

The longest-tenured general manager is Frank Cashen, with 11 years of service to the team as the general manager, from 1980 to 1990. -- This is optional but how about The longest-tenured general manager is Frank Cashen, with 11 years of service (1980-1990) to the team as the general manager.

Done

The manager with the highest winning percentage over a full season or more was Davey Johnson, whose .588 winning percentage gives him a 595–417 record, good for first on the all-time wins list for Mets managers. -- 1)You should only mention Johnson by his last name 2)I don't understand what good for first on all the all-time wins list for Mets managers. means, its a bit confusing and POV-ish.

Done and reworded.

I would add in the lead the most/least GMs.

Can you clarify? Most/least what? If it's winning percentage, I don't think it's preferable because GMs don't have as direct an impact on the team's performance as managers, and the actions of past GMs affect the team's success after their tenure is over.

Oh I'm sorry, I meant Games Managed (GM)--Tru co

₅₀₃ 22:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Added. Mm40 (talk) 00:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

Either link all the publishers that have articles, or remove the one link to Baseball America.--Tru co ₅₀₃ 22:49, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unlinked Mm40 (talk) 23:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- Previous issues resolved/clarified; list meets WP:WIAFL.--Tru co ₅₀₃ 02:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

*"a season where"-->a season in which

Done. Jamie^☆S93 21:37, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Five managers have taken the Mets to the postseason, with Davey Johnson and Bobby Valentine both leading the team to two playoff appearances"-->Five managers have taken the Mets to the postseason; Davey Johnson and Bobby Valentine have led the team to two playoff appearances each

I agree. Changed to suggested wording. Jamie^☆S93 23:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Mets managers to win a World Series" The article on [[win {baseball)]] concerns the pitcher, not the manager.

Delinked. Jamie^☆S93 21:37, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"The longest-tenured general manager is Frank Cashen, with 11 years of service (1980–1990) to the team as the general manager."-->The longest-tenured general manager is Frank Cashen, who was the general manager of the team for 11 years (1980–1990).

Reworded. Jamie^☆S93 21:37, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"The manager with the highest winning percentage over a full season or more was Johnson, whose .588 winning percentage gives him a 595–417 record, which is first on the all-time wins list for Mets managers"-->The manager with the highest winning percentage over a full season or more was Johnson; his .588 winning percentage gives him a 595–417 record, which is first on the all-time wins list for Mets managers

Yes, less run-on, done. Jamie^☆S93 23:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Johnson also managed to most games" Delete "also", and I don't think "to" is the word you're looking for.

Done. Jamie^☆S93 23:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the key, there is no explanation for "W", "L", or "PA". Dabomb87 (talk) 17:15, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I added explanations for "W" and "L", but I'm honestly not sure what "PA" means in the context of post-season playing. Jamie^☆S93 21:37, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the Phillies list, I'd say "playoff appearances". Dabomb87 (talk) 21:43, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thank you. Done. Jamie^☆S93 23:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose ~~Comments~~ from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

"In contrast, the general manager controls player transactions" I'm not really seeing the contrast.
"with 1,003 games of service over eight seasons "-->with 1,003 games of service over 8 seasons

To my understanding, all numbers under 10 should be spelled out (similar to "seven" and "five" in the article, etc.), so I would disagree on that point. Jamie^☆S93 23:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From MOSNUM: "[c]omparable quantities should be all spelled out or all figures: we may write either 5 cats and 32 dogs or five cats and thirty-two dogs, not five cats and 32 dogs." Dabomb87 (talk) 23:26, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt text should be added to the images. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

~~What makes http://www.ultimatemets.com/awards.php reliable?~~ Dabomb87 (talk) 17:15, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't look like that source is particularly reliable, but given the uncontroversial nature of the information, I think it should be fine. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 21:40, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We should use reliable sources whenever possible.

Replaced with a New York Times ref; there are several NYT sources available. Jamie^☆S93 20:27, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~What makes http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/features/051221gmround.html reliable?~~ Dabomb87 (talk) 17:27, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's part of the fairly major baseball magazine Baseball America. I'd say that's reliable. Jamie^☆S93 20:27, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –
"his .588 winning percentage gives him a 595–417 record". Would have thought it would be the other way around.
In the table, the colors only need to be used in the manager column; using them in all columns is a bit much.
Speaking of colors, George Weiss is a Hall of Famer and should be indicated as such. Giants2008 (17-14) 22:22, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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