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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 18:02, 14 February 2009 [1].

List of Hot 100 number-one singles of 2004 (U.S.) edit

The list was recently peer reviewed, and I feel it meets the criteria. Regards, Efe (talk) 03:08, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco

Weak Oppose/Comments from Truco (talk · contribs) - due to the sourcing and a couple prose problems.

Lead
  • The proper acronym for the United States is "U.S." not US.
  • Its now acceptable. --Efe (talk) 05:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Says who?--TRUCO 21:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the supporting comment. I have also given him a link just below this one. --Efe (talk) 00:44, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • In 2004, 13 acts each achieved a first US number-one single, either as a lead artist or featured guest, namely: Sleepy Brown, Twista, Kanye West, Jamie Foxx, Lil Jon, Fantasia Barrino, Juvenile, Soulja Slim, Terror Squad, Ciara, Petey Pablo, Snoop Dogg, and Pharell. - 1)namely should be "most notably" 2)13 acts achieved their first U.S. single, however, you stated "most notably" as if you were only going to list a few, but you listed all of them, so this should be reworded 3)If you are to list them all, list them in alphabetical order
  • Its not randomly listed; its based on whose single first topped the chart. But it could be alphabetized, too. A mere editorial preference. --Efe (talk) 05:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I never said they were randomly listed, I said that the way the sentence is worded makes it seem like you are going to list only a few of those 13, yet you list all 13, which is why I stated that the sentence should be reworded accordingly. Its not a editorial preference, its unprofessional for them to be in any random order.--TRUCO 21:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think its in MoS, or some MoS guys. --Efe (talk) 23:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So what do you suggest now? --Efe (talk) 23:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's not in the MOS, its a standard of other FLs as well, because its unprofessional to list the people in any random order. In addition, reword accordingly as I mentioned above.--TRUCO 00:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Here, I trimmed it: "In 2004, 13 acts each achieved a first US number-one single, either as a lead artist or featured guest, including Fantasia Barrino, Ciara, Jamie Foxx, Lil Jon, Petey Pablo, Pharell and Kanye West." Sorry about the MoS thing. That was supposed to respond question number one. --Efe (talk) 03:40, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine. But like I stated in my first point, US is not correct, its "U.S." (the proper acronym).--TRUCO 04:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
U.S. is the original acronym but US has generally been used nowadays: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Acronyms_and_abbreviations. --Efe (talk) 05:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • During the year, seven collaboration singles reached number-one position. - add "the" before reached
  • You mean this: "During the year, seven collaboration singles the reached number-one position." Perhaps you mean "During the year, seven collaboration singles reached the number-one position." But I think its meaningfully the same as "During the year, seven collaboration singles reached number-one position." --Efe (talk) 05:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm sorry, I did mean the latter.--TRUCO 21:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Barrino and Ciara were the only acts to have earned number-one debut single this year. - add an "a" before number-one debut
  • Fixed as suggested. --Efe (talk) 05:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • R&B singer Usher had four number-one singles that appeared in the 2004 issues, and Outkast had two. - issues? You mean "charts"?
  • Issues refer to the charts, as explained in the above part of the lead. --Efe (talk) 05:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Usher's "Yeah!" is the longest-running number-one single of 2004, staying at that position for 12 straight weeks. - it would be better stated as Usher's "Yeah!" is the longest-running number-one single of 2004, remaining in that position for 12 straight weeks
  • Other singles with extended chart run include Ciara "Goodies", which features Petey Pablo, and Usher's "My Boo", which features Alicia Keys, each topping the chart for seven and six weeks, respectively. - Ciara should be "Ciara's"
  • Oops, fixed now. --Efe (talk) 05:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • He had four singles that topped the Billboard Hot 100, namely: "Yeah!, "Burn", "Confessions Part II", and "My Boo"; he is the only act in 2004 to have earned multiple number-one singles. - namely is being misused here, it should be a related phrase to "most notably"
  • I don't like to use that because its tends to be POVic. Also, when you say most notably, you only mentioning part of the entire list. In this case, I mentioned the four singles. --Efe (talk) 05:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The feat broke the record set by Glenn Miller and His Orchestra; in 1940, their records spent 26 consecutive weeks at the top spot of Record Buying Guide, a jukebox chart Billboard magazine published in the late 1930s and early '40s. - the semi colon should be after 1940 (so replace that comma with the semi colon)
  • Either way, they convey the same meaning. But I fixed it as suggested. --Efe (talk) 05:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Chart history
  • Checks out fine
References
  • Only one publishing source is being used, which is a primary source. Third party sources should be found to include more variety in the referencing.--TRUCO 04:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Most of its FL precedents use only Billboard magazine as source. --Efe (talk) 05:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Those were probably promoted before the FL sourcing criteria was strictly enhanced. See WP:PSTS.--TRUCO 21:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • That list has references to other sources as well, not just Billboard.TRUCO 00:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This sourcing issue is the only thing keeping me from supporting.--TRUCO 22:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have added one from MTV but I will still try to search for more. --Efe (talk) 00:45, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Try searching newspapers, magazines, or other published work online.--TRUCO 02:07, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am actually reluctant to add some more non-Billboard sources because everything are well sourced. --Efe (talk) 02:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I know what you mean, but this is an issue also brought up at FAC per WP:PSTS. With at least two non-primary sources, the list will be fine. Variety is just needed.--TRUCO 02:30, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I understand. --Efe (talk) 02:34, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Added two non-Billboard sources to support one line there. --Efe (talk) 03:33, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect.--TRUCO 21:54, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "In 2004, 13 acts each achieved " Redundant
  • Removing it would result to ambiguity. --Efe (talk) 00:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't understand how "each" influences the meaning of the sentence. Where is the ambiguity? Dabomb87 (talk) 00:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • To clarify that each act achieved a first US number-one single. --Efe (talk) 03:06, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • But even as "In 2004, 13 acts achieved...", it is understood that they are 13 separate acts. Also, looking at the sentence more and more, I do not think "achieved" is the correct verb. Maybe "released"? Dabomb87 (talk) 03:29, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Seems awkward. Number-one singles are not released, they are achieved/gained/earned, although they were literally released. --Efe (talk) 03:46, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, but what of "each"? Dabomb87 (talk) 00:12, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What about this: "In 2004, 13 acts achieved first U.S. number-one single". --Efe (talk) 06:59, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, but you are missing a "their" after "achieved". Dabomb87 (talk) 14:08, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. --Efe (talk) 00:00, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "trying the record set in 2003." I suspect that "trying" is not the intended word here.
  • Oh, sorry. It should be tying. --Efe (talk) 00:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "on the top spot had reached" Redundant
  • "is the most-successful act" Hyphen not really necessary here.
  • Yeah. Thanks for that. --Efe (talk) 00:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He had four singles that topped the Billboard Hot 100, namely: "Yeah!," Dabomb87 (talk) 23:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I removed it but can you grammatically explain why? Truco said there was a misuse of this word, but I can't figure out why. Thanks. --Efe (talk) 00:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Two reasons: a)It is redundant (the colon makes it clear that the following items are the singles); b)A colon should be preceded by a grammatical sentence; "namely" makes the sentence ungrammatical. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
All comments have been addressed. Thanks for the review, Dabom. --Efe (talk) 00:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support as long as you fix these minor points:
    • No need for comma after "physical sales" in the first para
    • Missing word in "such extended chart run" in the last para
  • You mean "in such extended chart run"? --Efe (talk) 11:54, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "becoming the first act to have achieved such extended chart run on the Billboard Hot 100" should be "becoming the first act to have achieved such an extended chart run on the Billboard Hot 100" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Missing "s" in "Other singles with extended chart run" in the third para
  • You mean chart runs? Although I am no expert on grammar, I think its already fine. --Efe (talk) 11:54, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Other singles with extended chart run include" should be "Other singles with extended chart runs include" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Four mis-spellings of "Bronson" in the refs
  • Only found one. --Efe (talk) 11:54, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You misunderstood my comment. "Bronson" is the correct spelling, but it was mis-spelt four times as "Bonson". Please correct each instance of "Bonson" to "Bronson"..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:13, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the comments and support. --Efe (talk) 11:54, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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