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The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 20:31, 29 November 2008 [1].

Gaylactic Spectrum Award winners and nominees for best novel

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I think this now passes the criteria in looks (I used the same format from a previous list) and utility (it's comprehensive and easier to use than the official lists). Planning to make a featured topic, this would be article number 3 in that.Yobmod (talk) 10:51, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support, meets criteria and all my concerns addressed.Dillypickle (talk) 16:18, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, User:Dillypickle (talk)

Comments from Dillypickle (talk · contribs) 'Typos' ...eligible to be inducted into the "Hall of Fame" The novels category is...

Missing full-stop

...were released is the predceding years.... ...were all released first published before... redundant 'Other' Be consistent with using the LGBT/GLBT initialisation. How are the awards decided, judging or voting? Citations number 3 and 14 have something wrong with them. References and notes not both needed, as one is empty. Dillypickle (talk) 11:03, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed typos.
Now using LGBT throughout, except in quote.
Added sentence about judging.
Fixed citations (cite name was wrong)
Merged notes into references, with general and specific.
Think that's all adressed there. Thanks!Yobmod (talk) 13:46, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by SatyrTN
  • I'm not comfortable with "winners and nominees". Of the other "Awards" FLs, two are winners and nominees and the other eight are just winners. Truthfully, I don't see the value of listing six to ten entries when there's only one winner. Being a nominee might deserve mention in the book's article, or the author's, but I don't see how that fits our "Featured" model. But I could be wrong.
I can add sources showing that SF magazine consider being nominated to be notable enough to be mentioned about individual works in reviews etc, and SF magazines that report on the nominees lists when released, but there isn't a good place to put it in this article (i'm putting things like that in the main article). As the official site and Locus both list nominees, i followed their judgemnet that these were something readers wanted to know.
It differs slightly from other awards, in that who wins is not really the point - it provides a list of quality LGBT related works in a genre that has often ignored such, which is why nominees-short list get mentioned in reviews, unlike other minor SF awards.
I copied the formatting from the featured list List of Academy Award winners and nominees for Best Foreign Language Film, which for a similar reason list all nominees (people interested in the winners are almost certinly interested in thenominees in such a specialist catergory.)
Fe also have featured list of only submissions for media awards (like this, which i think is not notable at all), and lists for musicians etc. that include all their nominations so far. (btw, there are dozens of awards featured lists - this is not the main article for the award, that one only lists winners. Should i rename to "List of..."? I thought it would be too long!)
Final point (promise!): I wasn't completely indiscriminate, the long list of nominees is also available on the list, and i maybe 10 - 20 times longer. Those i agree are not notable, and getting to the long list is never mentioned in professional magazines.Yobmod (talk) 15:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to retract this comment. I've just reviewed many of the FL awards lists and there are several that include nominees. And your points are good ones. Never mind :)
And i though i wrote too much, but i was way to caffeinated to order my thoughts properly;-).Yobmod (talk) 20:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the section heading "Hall of Fame Novels" needs a small "n".
done.
  • You currently have three indicators for "winner" - bold, lavender color, and the word "Won". That's overkill, in my opinion. If you're going to have winners and nominees both in the list, you really only need the background and the "Result" column.
OK, i'll unbold them. Done.
  • Authors need to be sorted by last name - use the {{sortname}} function to do that - or ask me if you have any questions.
best advice i've gotten for ages - i'll try and figure out how to do. Thanks!Yobmod (talk) 15:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, figured it out, will try to write some HTML code that can do this automatically - otherwise that's my sunday gone!
  • Likewise the "Book Title" column needs to make use of the {{sort}} function.
Is this just to sort them without the preceding article (the and a)? I've now done that (so The Virtu sorts to V, not T).Yobmod (talk) 21:19, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Should the "T" of "Book Title" be capitalized? I'm thinking not, but I could be wrong about that.
done. Is a bad habit from learning German and UK schooling :-).
  • The "Publisher" column should be wikilinked where available.
Done all that have pages, and linked imprints without pages to the parent publisher (eg. Eos to Harpercollins).Yobmod (talk) 20:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reverse the phrase:
LGBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender)
to say
lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT)
done.
  • I'm going to Weak Oppose for the moment, but will review again and would like to have some input from other reviewers on the "nominees" issue. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:03, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you need any help with the {{sortname}}, let me know. I also can write macros to do a lot of that in my text editor, so if you think you'll be spending much time one it, I can probably get to it for you.
  • Support -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:30, 23 November 2008 (UTC) [reply]
    Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

    Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

    • "and presented at Gaylaxicon" What is Gaylaxicon (specify in article)?
    Added short description.
    • "Other categories have also been added and removed in intervening years, and works produced prior to the inception of the awards are eligible to be inducted into the "Hall of Fame"." "prior to"-->before.
    done.
    Yay!
    • "Each award currently consists of an etched image on lucite on a stand"
    done.
    • "A small cash stipend is also awarded to winners " Dabomb87 (talk) 16:36, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    done.
    Think that's all of those. Thanks for reviewing!Yobmod (talk) 20:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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