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The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 23:34, 13 June 2009 [1].

Duffy discography edit

Nominator(s): Dt128 (talk) 20:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because I feel that the discography is well-referenced and definatley a worthwhile candidate to be a featured list. Dt128 (talk) 20:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is one dead link, check the toolbox to the right. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:09, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • There is no (as far as I know) alternative to this link, as it is a certification. Instead, I have placed {{dead link}} on the reference. I realise this is most likely to be unacceptable. Any suggestions? Dt128 (talk) 17:30, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Truco
General comment
  • As for the dead link, try using the internet archive to see if an archive of that link is available.
    • Nothing at internet archive Dt128 (talk) 08:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Have you tried searching on their site?--Truco 18:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Depends what you mean, on the internet archive there is currently no archive of this website Dt128 (talk) 08:36, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • I mean searching on the original site to see if they have that article somewhere else, since some websites change their domains or URLs frequently.--Truco 20:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
            • Just a note, the BPI no longer publishes its certifications without BPI membership, meaning it is impossible for me to obtain a direct BPI source. Therefore, it has been removed and the ChartsPlus reference has been left. Dt128 17:34, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Lead
  • 'Duffy range of musical genres incorporates styles such as blue-eyed soul,[1] pop and rock'n'roll.' -- I don't understand, do you mean Duffy's range of musical genres? Also what verifies pop and rock'n'roll since blue-eyed soul is referenced?
  • 'Motown is seen as an influence in Duffy's music.' -- 1)This seems out of place because Motown Records is the proper name and if she's signed to it then their isn't really a surprise that it is an influence 2)The quote/ref doesn't really show or say/verify this statement.
    • Removed, I can't really see a way of getting round this Dt128 (talk) 08:52, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Extended play needs to be formatted as extended play (EP) on its first occurrence because the acronym form is used later throughout the prose.
  • 'It released by Welsh music label Recordiau Awen Records.' -- Add was before 'released'
    • Done
  • 'The EP became popular within the Welsh community, securing a place at number-one on the "Siart C2" chart.' -- Its a bit POV-ish to say that it became popular in that community by ranking #1 on that chart only, and is that chart even a major chart?
    • I don't really see another way in which Duffy could be proved popular in the Welsh community Dt128 (talk) 09:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well, how notable is this one chart that you mention in the above statement?--Truco 18:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Unsure. However, I do know it is a chart that gauges the sales of [up-and-coming?] Welsh artists, in Wales. Dt128 (talk) 08:40, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • It would be best to remove the part that states that she became popular, because by ranking on one chart it would be biased to say that she became popular.--Truco 20:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
            • Done Dt128 17:34, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
  • 'Following on from this release, she was discovered singing Richard J. Parfitt's "Oh Boy".' --> Following this release, she was recognized by singing Richard J. Parfitt's "Oh Boy".
    • Done
  • 'Her performance brought her to the attention of her current manager, Jeanette Lee, of Rough Trade Records.' -- Remove the comma after 'Lee'
    • Done
  • UK should be spelled out as United Kingdom on its first occurrence.
    • Was this done?--Truco 18:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Wasn't sure if you meant "UK Singles Chart" but yes, the first occurrence of "UK" was changed to United Kingdom
  • 'Her follow-up single, "Mercy" was internationally released, reaching number one on nearly twenty worldwide charts.' -- Comma after the name of the single.
    • Done
  • '"Mercy" was the third biggest selling of 2008 in the UK,[10] after staying at number one on the UK Singles Chart for five weeks.' -- Biggest selling what? In addition, the 'after staying at..' part of the sentence doesn't really connect with the first part, either add a transition or split the sentences.
    • Done
  • 'Her debut album, Rockferry was released on 3rd March 2008, and became the biggest selling album of the year in the UK.' -- 1)Either remove the comma before the album name or add one after the album name. 2)'the year' should be that year
    • Done
  • 'Her follow-up singles, "Warwick Avenue" and "Stepping Stone", did not replicate early success, but still sold well. ' -- Add her before 'early success and reword the last part to although they still sold well.
    • Done
  • 'Her fifth single, "Rain on Your Parade" was released in December 2008.' -- 1)Remove comma before album name or add one after the name 2)What's so notable about this single that you need to mention it in the prose?
    • Done
  • 'Rockferry was the fourth best selling album of 2008 Worldwide, as according to the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry.' -- 1)Do not capitalize 'Worldwide' 2)Remove the 'as'
    • Done
Extended play (notes)
  • 'Aimée Duffy was released under the name of Aimée Duffy,[6][7] Duffy's full name' -- Needs a period and 'full name' should either be real name or birth name
    • Done
  • The other notes also need periods.
    • Done
Other appereances
  • 'The following have been officially released, but do not feature on a release by Duffy.' --> The following have been officially released, but are not featured on a release by Duffy.
    • Done
References
  • Rolling stone is the work and RealNetworks, Inc. is the publisher.
    • Removed anyway
  • 1)What makes chartstats.com reliable? 2)It should just be Chart Stats in the publisher field.
  • Billboard is the work but Nielsen Business Media, Inc. is the publisher.
    • Done
  • What makes Promo news reliable?
    • No suitable alternative. Dt128 (talk) 09:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Was it removed?--Truco 18:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • No, take a look at this Dt128 (talk) 08:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • Well that doesn't really prove anything IMO, but I will let Dabomb have a say on this.--Truco 20:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • What makes adriapretty.com reliable?
    • Adriapetty.com is the official website of music video director, Adria Petty, meaning it is unlikely she has lied about the music videos she has filmed. Dt128 (talk) 09:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 46 is a online store, it shouldn't be used to verify information like the existence of an album or stats of an album.
    • Used allmusic instead
  • Ref 35, why is The Independent in bold letters? (FIXED) --Truco 20:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- Previous issues resolved/clarified; article meets WP:WIAFL.--Truco 15:53, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "The discography of Welsh singer-songwriter Duffy " Can you make a note of her real name?
    • Done Dt128 17:02, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
  • "Aimée Duffy, her debut extended play (EP), was released in 2004, following her success on the Welsh talent show WawFfactor in 2003.[4][5] It was released by Welsh music label Recordiau Awen Records." Can these two sentences be combined?
    • Done Dt128 17:02, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
  • "a place at number-one"-->a place at number one
    • Done Dt128 17:03, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
  • "Following this release, she was recognized by singing Richard J. Parfitt's "Oh Boy"." I don't know what you mean by "recognized".
    • How about "discovered"? Dt128 17:03, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
      • But who "discovered" her? And "discovered" makes me think she was lost. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Following this release, a performance of Richard J. Parfitt's "Oh Boy" brought her to the attention of Duffy's current manager, Jeanette Lee of Rough Trade Records. Dt128 09:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
  • "nearly twenty worldwide"-->nearly 20 worldwide
    • Done Dt128 17:09, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
  • ""Mercy" was the third biggest selling single of 2008 in the United Kingdom."-->"Mercy" was the third-best-selling single of 2008 in the United Kingdom.
    • Done Dt128 17:09, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
  • "3rd March 2008" No ordinals.
    • Done Dt128 17:09, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
  • "Her debut album Rockferry," --> Duffy's debut album Rockferry,
    • Done Dt128 17:09, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
  • "fourth best selling album "--fourth-best-selling album
    • Done Dt128 17:09, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
  • "The album went on to win the Grammy Award for Best Pop Vocal Album at the 51st Annual Grammy Awards, which were presented 8 February 2009."-->The album won the Grammy Award for Best Pop Vocal Album at the 51st Annual Grammy Awards, presented on 8 February 2009.
    • Done Dt128 17:09, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
  • "Radio 1's Live Lounge - Volume 3" Should be an en dash (–).
    • Done Dt128 17:14, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
  • "Live From London was released exclusively to the iTunes Store." What is the source for this? Dabomb87 (talk) 23:19, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done Dt128 17:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Sources

  • No need to spell out MTV, as it's better known in its short form.
    • Done Dt128 17:14, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Italicize all publications (books, magazines, newspapers, journals). Example: "New Musical Express".
    • Done Dt128 17:14, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
  • What makes [2] reliable?
    • Official website of the Warchild series, this source lists Duffy as recording the song for the specific album. Dt128 17:14, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Likewise for [3]?
    • Replaced with PromoNews reference. Dt128 17:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
  • The dead link still needs to be resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:19, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Just a note, the BPI no longer publishes its certifications without BPI membership, meaning it is impossible for me to obtain a direct BPI source. Therefore, it has been removed and the ChartsPlus reference has been left. Dt128 17:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
  • What makes ChartStats reliable? Usage in another discography FL does not mean it is reliable. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Unsure, however, I have found that all chart positions listed correspond with those listed at aCharts and the like. The problem is, this is one of the very few UK chart archive websites. However, it is listed as a reliable archive site at the Wikipedia chart sourcing guide. Dt128 08:48, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
      • I'll let it go for now. Not striking though. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks good! All my concerns have been addressed. Drewcifer (talk) 06:43, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Drewcifer

Comments I have to admit, I'm getting a little tired of these barely-big-enough-to-warrant-their-own-page FLCs, but that said I won't hold it against you. Overall, the discog looks pretty good. I only have a few comments and concerns:

  • Featured lists don't usually start as "The discography of", as it is a boring and uninspired lead-in. Take a look at some other FLs for examples of how to reword a little better.
    • Done. Dt128 08:48, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Abbreviating "Danish" as "DK" is a little confusing to the average English-speaking reader (such as myself), and the fact that it is linked to Tracklisten doesn't help. Most discogs abbreviate Danish as simply "DAN", which more closely resembles the English word for stuff that is from Denmark, rather then how the Danish themselves put it. Along those same lines, we usually default to three-letter abbreviations. I'd also suggest changing "NET" to "NLD" "U.S." to "US", and "IRE" to "IRL", just to be clearer and more consistent with past FLs.
    • DK --> DEN, NET --> NLD, IRE --> IRL Dt128 08:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Put a line break in the second Danish column.
    • Done. Dt128 08:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
  • "Rockferry - Deluxe Edition" should use an en-dash (–) not a hyphen.
    • Done. Dt128 08:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
  • The first external link would benefit from something like "official website", rather than just her name.
    • Done. Dt128 08:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Reference #14 isn't published by Grammy.com, but whatever organizing body is behind the Grammys.
    • Done. Dt128 08:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
  • The US column in the first tbale doesn't need two references, since there's only one fact that's being referenced anyways.
    • Done. Dt128 08:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
      • Same with the second table, actually.
        • Done. Dt128 20:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
  • It looks like the whole Singles table uses a smaller font. I don't think this is necessary, since there's alot of horizontal space that's being wasted anyways. Messing around with the column widths a bit should help free up some space for normal-sized font.
    • Unsure what is meant here? Dt128 08:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
      • Sorry, I think I was seeing things. Looks fine. Drewcifer (talk) 20:05, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The list is also inconsistent with the abbreviation of the United States. I see it spelled as "U.S.", "US", and "USA". For consistency with the other country abbreviations, and other FL discogs, I'd recommend sticking with "US".
    • Done.
  • You don't need to wikilink the RIAA in the singles table, as it's already linked in the albums table. Same with Polydor in the "Live from London" cell.

That's it for now. Drewcifer (talk) 04:52, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Hi!

Resolved comments from Kiac
  • Minor thing: Abbreviations in the 'publisher' field should be extended; BBC → British Broadcasting Corporation, MTV → Music Television.
    • BBC --> British Broadcasting Corporation. There was previously a point made as to whether MTV should be Music Television, and it was decided it schould remain as MTV. Dt128 18:24, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
      • If that's due to the rationale proposed above, then that's a tad hyprocritical. RIAA, ARIA and RIANZ are all better known than their extensions as well. Nevertheless, no big deal.
  • Stating her full name is not really required here since this is a list about the artist's releases, not her. Perhaps change the lead to just: "The [[discography]] of [[Duffy (singer)|Duffy]], a Welsh singer-songwriter, who has released..." Then in the last sentence, "She has also released one extended play using her birth name, Aimée Duffy."
    • Done Dt128 18:24, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Is it really necessary for that first sentence in the second paragraph of the lead? A discography's lead should be concentrating on its content, not the genre of the artist.
    • I think its necessary because it is giving a brief description of the subject/page in question. If you look at many FL discographies (see Rihanna discography for an example) you will notice that many have this "genre" sentence".
      • Fair enough, it does establish the topic more precisely I guess.
  • Three separate citations for the minor release of an EP on a Welsh record label? Not really required.
    • One ref removed. Dt128 18:24, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
  • The EP was well-received within the Welsh community, securing a place at number one on the "Siart C2" chart. - am I missing where this is referenced because I am not seeing anything? How is this chart verifiable and reliable for inclusion? (eg. Who publishes it, how are they reliable, etc). Also, the name of a chart should not have quotations around it.
    • Thats because the only reference I could find was here. This is a persistent problem that has cropped up a few times. I'm considering removing the sentence all together.
      • Yes, remove it. You have international publications that have reported on the EP, its appearance on a (possibly?) minor chart in Ireland that cannot be verified shouldn't need to be included.
        • Removed.
  • reaching number one on nearly 20 worldwide charts - "Worldwide charts" indicates charts which record international sales, there is not one of these, it's wrongly worded. You were obviously indicating it was 20 different countries' charts, but you only have four countries in the table that have it at number one. Where are the other 16 referenced?
    • Her follow-up single, "Mercy", was internationally released, charting inside the top ten on 15 international singles charts, as well as reaching number one on eight of these.[10]
      • Just a thought, you could also have used one of the Ultratop links.
        • Added.
  • [[Mercy]] → [[Mercy (song)|Mercy]]
    • Done. Dt128 18:24, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
  • UK Singles Chart is wikilinked twice within three sentences, remove the second wikilink.
    • Done
  • (Firefox just crashed on me, but thank god for its restore feature!)
    )
  • the [[ International → the [[International
    • Done.
  • Is the Grammy Award really appropriate? The "presented on "8 Feb" part definitely isn't.
    • Removed the "presented" part. In my opinion, the grammy award helps illustrate the subject.
  • Note in general: With the Template:Cite web, it is generally encouraged that you use the 2009-06-07 method for "accessdate", rather than typing out the date in actual words. Not that I am telling you to go through and change 50-odd references.
I apologise if I have just reiterated other points reviewers have made. Keep up the good work Dt, I know from experience how frustrating these FLCs can be! k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 14:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Extra comments, back for more.

  • The Citation numbers in the tables look disarmingly small and hard to read, for me at least. Perhaps look at some other discographies for different coding styles, which may be more reader-friendly. Could just be me of course, but it is unusually small.
  • Are the abundance of invis tags (<!-- LEAVE AS — -->, <!-- LEAVE CERTIFICATIONS HERE SEE Rihanna discography FOR AN EXAMPLE -->) really necessary for a FL candidate? This, to me, indicates that the list is violating FL criteria 6: Stability. If this is not the case, then they should be removed.
    • At one point, this was necessary. It is no longer. Removed all but one for each table.
  • Consider adding Rs discog as a general ref, not just an External Link. And also this official website link as a gen ref. And Musicbrainz as an external link].
    • Added music brainz as external, and Duffy's website as general ref.
  • AOL → America Online
    • Done.
That is all. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 14:34, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • did not replicate her early success, although they still sold well. - What says they sold well? Use some examples from the sources you have, eg. "although they still sold well, as "Warwick Avenue" entered the top ten in Denmark, Netherlands and the UK."
    • working on this.
      • How about Her follow-up singles, "Warwick Avenue" and "Stepping Stone", did not replicate her early success, although they still sold well, for example "Warwick Avenue" charted at number 3 on the UK Singles Chart.[14]
  • Mainly seeking clarification from other reviewers here, what is the situation with the Dutch Singles Chart? There was a brief explanation at WP:Record Charts, saying that we should be using the Top 40 as opposed to the Top 100.
    • Unclear on this.
      • This just seems to be a trivial issue. Technically the Top 40 Singles Chart should be used, unless the song didn't chart in the Top 40 - which would mean you should use the Top 100. They are derived from different methods, apparently the Top 40 is more notable. You could also use acharts, compare the acharts and dutchcharts.nl peaks to see what I mean.
        • Duffy has charted higher on the Top 40 chart, however I am unsure whether the chart positions/refs should be changed?
k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 04:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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