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Billy Ray Cyrus discography

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I think that this page is worthy enough of being a FL. It's completely sourced, everything runs and flows well together. The page is always being monitored by myself and others. Absolutely everything looks great! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 04:17, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment "This following is detailed discography for the American country music artist Billy Ray Cyrus." We don't start lists like this anymore. Look at recently promoted discographies for ideas. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:20, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Better? EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 04:24, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:47, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from SRX

Strong Oppose - many problems with the prose, table, and references that fail WP:WIAFL

  • Billy Ray Cyrus is an American country music artist, who has released 10 studio albums, with an eleventh due for an expected release in 2009. **1)link to the music genre?
  • The album produced the hit single "Achy Breaky Heart" which reached #1 on the Billboard Hot Country Songs chart and #4 on the Billboard Hot 100.
  • However, Trail of Tears failed to produce any top 40 hits.
    • 1)In this context, the however should come after Trail of Tears
  • 2003's Time Flies was issued on Madacy Records and followed, that same year, by The Other Side on Word Records.
    • 1)When did he sign to these records?
  • In 2006, Cyrus signed with Walt Disney Records which issued the album Home at Last in 2007.
  • Cyrus' highest charting album since It Won't Be the Last, it produced the single "Ready, Set, Don't Go", a duet with daughter Miley.'
    • 1)No need for the it before produced

Comment Are you sure? It doesn't sound right if it's not there. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • This was his first Top 5 hit in nearly a decade.
    • 1)Why is top capitalized, and the others aren't? Consistency is needed.
    • 2)In addition, when top 40s and top 5 are mentioned, what chart is it referring to?
  • The last two paragraphs in the lead can be merged into one.
  • Billboard in the prose needs to be italicized and linked on the first occurrence
  • Canadian chart positions are unknown from November 2000 to June 2004
    • Why are they unknown? A footnote should be given as to why, because this leaves the reader in question.
    • Notes like this and ->Pop 100 chart did not exist until February 2005. need to be in a footnotes section, not in the table itself, only the "-" denotes...etc. should be in the table, the others should be in footnotes.
  • Some of the notes need to be verified with a source.

Comment Which ones? EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • So there were no directors for the entries that are blank in the directors table?
  • This list of songs or music-related items is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.
    • Now this puzzles me, if its incomplete, then the list is inaccurate, either remove the section, or attempt to complete the table.
  • The references need to be converted using {{cite web}} templates.--SRX 15:50, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
The ones without replies, are they completed?--SRX 01:09, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
There's only two. "When did he sign to these records?" for Time Flies and The Other Side. That one I didn't change because I don't the answer to that one. And with the Canadian charts, because I must've skipped that one. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 02:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How about adding transitions to the sentences, like "after signing with ___ records, Cyrus released..." or "He released ... after signing with .. records"SRX 03:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Done! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 15:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Further comments

  • The album produced the #1 single "Achy Breaky Heart", as well three additional top 40 hits on the Billboard Hot Country Singles & Tracks (now Hot Country Songs). - need to add a as before three
  • Both album, The Best of Billy Ray Cyrus: Cover to Cover and Shot Full of Love, together only produced two top 40 singles. - both album?
  • Cyrus left Mercury in 1999 and quickly signed with Monument Records, who released Southern Rain in 2000. - 1)remove the quickly 2)who-->which
  • He then signed with Madacy Records, and released Time Flies in 2003. - no need for the comma
  • When the single didn't do well on the chart, he left the label and quickly signed with Word/Curb/Warner Bros. to released The Other Side, also in 2003. - how about When the single didn't rank well on the chart, he left the label later that year and signed with Word/Curb/Warner Bros. to release The Other Side.
  • Cyrus' highest charting album since It Won't Be the Last, it produced the single "Ready, Set, Don't Go", a duet with daughter Miley. - how about adding As to the beginning of the sentence?--SRX 19:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak Support - there were many problems at first, but now it meets WP:WIAFL, although a peer review could have done good here.--SRX 00:28, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


    • Oppose Good start, but I have a few problems and suggestions:

    • "4× Multi-Platinum" is redundant. 4x is Multi. Should be 4x Platinum.
    • The small font for the Album details is unneccessary. The irony with using small font with bullet points is that it doesn't actually save any vertical space at all, it just makes it more difficult to read. I'd recommend taking a look at pretty much every other FL discog, as I think none of them use small font for anythibg but the catalog numbers.
    • In "RIAA (US):", I don't think it's neccesary to mentioned RIAA. We don't qualify US in the chart positions with "Billboard (US)", so there's no need here. Just likk US to RIAA, and if the reader wants to know more they can click through. Same thing with CRIA.
    • "Canadian chart positions are unknown from November 2000 to June 2004" bothers me quite a bit. What that seems to me to say is that you just couldn't find that info. It obviously exists, so it's just a matter of finding it. And without finding it, the list is not complete.
      • Comment Nope, Canadian chart positions cannot be found because RPM (magazine) closed in November 2000, and so they can't be found anywhere. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 18:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    He's right, there is no source to verify the CAN chart positions between November 2000 (when RPM closed) and June 2004 (when the Canadian R&R Country chart was first published). This wasn't a hindrance in Diamond Rio discography.
    I see; I did not know that... Well, I won't hold that against the article for now, though it would be nice if there were some reliable source telling us this rather than something we are assuming. Is there any such source you could direct me to? Drewcifer (talk) 19:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Best I can tell you is that RPM went under in November 2000 and R&R started its Canadian country chart in June 2004. Ask Eric444 or Caldorwards4, they might know. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • A bunch of the music videos are missing directors.
      • 'Comment Haven't been able to find them. And theirs only 9 that don't have one. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 18:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Also not a hindrance. We don't know who directed the "Working Man's Blues" video that Diamond Rio did as Jed Zeppelin. "Unknown" might be a good filler here. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 17:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I've been away from FLC for a few months, and I surely would've brought this up with the Diamond Rio FLC if I was around, but I find it hard to believe that we're okay with incomplete lists. By "unkown" what are we saying? That the information isn't available? Of course the information is available, and if you can't find it then you aren't looking in the right places. Someone directed the music video, so saying "We can't find it" just doesn't cut it for me. And the argument that the Diamond Rio discog has one missing is pretty irrelevant as well, per WP:OSE. Drewcifer (talk) 19:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    The information isn't available online at least. CMT is a good source, but even they are missing some director credits, and there doesn't seem to be any other source for them. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Research does not begin and end online. If it can't be found online, look elsewhere. Information being difficult to find doesn't mean it shouldn't be included. Drewcifer (talk) 01:59, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    And where else would they be found? I've checked sources like Country Weekly and other music magazines. Country music is not very well covered in print sources, and video directors are especially hard to find. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 16:06, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The citations need to be formatted using citation templates.
    Note: RIAA uses "(foo) × Multi-Platinum" so I think that's appropriate. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 15:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Huh, good point. Well, it's still redundant, but I guess if the source is redundant is okay. Drewcifer (talk) 19:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Oppose I haven't looked at the prose or tables yet, but the lead needs inline citations, which whould be formatted with URLs, page titles, publishers (with publisher dates as necessary) and last access dates. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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