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Strong Oppose/Comments from Truco (talk · contribs) -- WP:FLC is not a substitute of WP:PR, many problems against WP:WIAFL.
- I recognize this. I asked two editors to look over the list and had not heard back at all, so I had assumed it was fine. In addition, several of these suggestions were about elements that I had used from other Featured Lists at the time of their passing. Thank you for reviewing the article, I'll work to address your concerns. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:46, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Lead
- This is a complete filmography of Arnold Schwarzenegger. -- (1)This is the same thing as "List of___", reword to something like "Arnold Schwarzenegger is a ______ and so on" (2)Besides, no links should be in boldface in the lead per WP:LINKS.
- Fixed. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:46, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Schwarzenegger's beginning career started primarily with small roles in both film and television. -- Bad wording. Should be something like Schwarzenegger's began his acting career primarily with small roles in both film and television.
- Reworded as suggested. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:46, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- For his first film role, he was credited as "Arnold Strong", but there-after was credited using his birth name. -- Should be For his first film role, he was credited as "Arnold Strong", but was credited with his birth name there-after.
- Reworded as suggested. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:46, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Schwarzenegger began acting in films in 1970, and with a few stints at directing and producing, has acted in over thirty films. -- These clauses are in no way connected and throws off the meaning of the sentence.
- I reworded the sentence, please take another look. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:46, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- These are just a few examples of the problems with the prose, and thus not meets criteration A.
- Before I continue reviewing, please seek a copy-edit, from the first glance I had the lead had all types of problems that could have been resolved at WP:PR. So before I continue reviewing the prose, seek a copy-edit.--TRUCO 22:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I respect your opinion on the prose of the following paragraphs so I'll have somebody take a look. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 09:41, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Once one is completed, notify me so I can review the lead fully.--TRUCO 23:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Tables
- Colored tables should be avoided in lists like these.
- Is there somewhere that states this? Looking at List of No Country for Old Men awards and nominations, it appears to use the colors which I thought was similar. In addition, per the WP:WIAFL, I followed the "It makes suitable use of text layout, formatting, tables, and color." I figured that was a requirement for including the color. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:46, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:COLOR. But you've removed them already.--TRUCO 23:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, Drewcifer provided the link below so I removed them. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 00:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The Additional Information column should be called "Notes"
- Fixed. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:46, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The 'Notes' in this column should start with a capitalized word
- Capitalized all instances. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:46, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Blank entries should have center aligned emdashes not blank spaces.
- Are you suggesting this for the "Notes" parameter in the tables? I'm not seeing this in some other FL/FLCs, and just want to make sure. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:46, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes I am because its seems unappealing and dashes confirm that something did not happen/was involved/etc.--TRUCO 22:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I added the dashes. I saw a few recently passed FLs such as List of Knight's Cross recipients of the Kriegsmarine that hadn't used it, so I was unsure. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 09:41, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You know, I think I must be smoking or something. I have no idea why I just told you to do that, please remove them, I was thinking of something else. Sorry.--TRUCO 23:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. I was just starting to get attached to them too. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 00:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- As I mentioned above, I had referred to this revision of Christopher Walken filmography when it had passed as a featured list. Many of its awards were not sourced, so I figured it was not required by reviewers. As you can see for the rest of the article, I have sourced everything else, and had thought it strange not to source it. I'll look to adding sources today. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:46, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well they need to be sourced because it is a major part of the list itself. Please, also, mention his awards in the lead, since its part of the list, the awards need to be mentioned in wording as well.--TRUCO 22:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- What about this?--TRUCO 23:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Per the suggestion of Drewcifer below, he pointed out that no other featured filmographies include the awards so he suggested that I move them to a separate lists which has been done. He has also raised the question as to whether the awards and box office information should be mentioned in the lead since they are not covered in the list anymore. What do you think? --Nehrams2020 (talk) 00:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well I agree that the awards should go into a separate article, but the box office statistics should have remained in this article. Thus, the statement in the lead about his awards should be removed and the statement about his box office should remain.--TRUCO 00:19, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- There never was any information about his box office career beyond the single sentence in the lead. At the Christopher Walken filmography FLC, reviewers were against adding box office takes for each film since the actor may not have played a vital role in the film to indicate they were responsible for the success/failure at the box office. However, since we are talking about his career in appearing in film and television, would it allowable to include this brief paragraph detailing the fact that he had won awards and the total box office take? Those both seem like important details to mention about an actor over the span of their career. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 00:46, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That would be more suitable in his article not in this one since the lead is suppose to summarize the list itself. Unless you can merge some of those statements with others to imply the same meaning and still note the accomplishment, then possibly yes. For example, "Schwarzenegger directed the 1990 (film) film, which he earned a (award) award for.--TRUCO 00:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I reworded the lead a bit to mention one of the films where he received a Golden Globe and another detailing that the had been nominated for various awards for his work in a list of several films. Hopefully that is a better representation then just listing random awards he had won. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:51, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks great from my view. I just did a few minor copyedits.--TRUCO 16:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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