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The list was promoted by Geraldk 20:19, 21 October 2009 [1].

50 Greatest Players in NBA History edit

Nominator(s): —Chris!c/t 02:45, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Hopefully, this will be the 64th NBA featured list.—Chris!c/t 02:45, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment it's been semi-protected for over a year now - is this still necessary? BencherliteTalk 16:13, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • It think we can try to unprotect it. Previously, this was a major target of vandalism.—Chris!c/t 18:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (17–14) 19:26, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment –
  • Try not to start a sentence with a number like in "47 of the 50 players...".
  • I believe collapsable tables, such as the list of selectors, cause accessibility issues with mirrors, printing and such.
  • "Nelson was the only member to have never won a championship as a coach, even though he has won five as a player." Drop "has"; he's not going to play again.
  • Is the coaching record supposed to sort by winning percentage? If so, not sure why Pat Riley is sorting before Red Auerbach in that column.
  • Remove comma after "in which" in last sentence of Teams selected.
  • Note f: "Having been injured in the second game, Baylor missed the entire 1971–72 season." If he played in two games, he really didn't miss the entire season. A re-phrasing might be in order. Giants2008 (17–14) 20:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed all except point 4. Sorting is correct since Riley's .702 should be before Auerbach's .662. Note that the record in italic include records after 1996.—Chris!c/t 02:01, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Nice list that meets FL standards. Giants2008 (17–14) 19:26, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Martin tamb (talk) 10:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment
  • Coaches selected: The coach statistics are incorrect, the footnote says that "..the preceding record is that of the coach at the time of his selection", however the records are up to the 97-98 season, while the selection occurred prior to the 96-97 season. I have fixed the record, but I'm wondering, should the italicized records updated to include the 08-09 season. — Martin tamb (talk) 09:18, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Teams selected: What's the criteria on the common sixth men. For example in 69-70 Knicks team, the sixth men is Cazzie Russell, but the reference shows that Mike Riordan played more minutes per game than Russell. Also in 88-89 Pistons team, where Vinnie Johnson is listed instead of Dennis Rodman despite having more minutes per game.
  • Teams selected: What's the criteria on the common starting lineup. For example in 88-89 Pistons team, Mark Aguirre is listed instead of Adrian Dantley who started more games.

— Martin tamb (talk) 09:18, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The statistics could be incorrect, so I will double-check all of them. (Actually, I forgot to do that :)) As for the lineup, I will include all members of the roster, to avoid disputes on who is the starting five or six man. Thanks for letting me know.—Chris!c/t 22:46, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Everything should be fixed.—Chris!c/t 23:58, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have made some changes that I hope will improve the FLC:

  • Fix Patrick Ewing and Magic Johnson position according to the references.
  • Fix 'Team(s) played (years)' details, especially players with partial seasons.
  • Make 'Most Valuable Player won' column sortable and added link to the corresponding season.
  • Fix number of formers NBA players in the voters who were team representatives (Thirteen former NBA players: Attles, Baylor, Bird, Cunningham, Embry, Hannum, Holzman, McGuire, Reed, Shue, Thomas, Unseld, West).

Other than that, the players list looks fine, all contents have been checked for accuracy. Will have a look at other sections later. Just some comments and suggestion though:

  • The coaches list have their Hall of Fame induction year mentioned, should the players list have them as well or it is just unnecessary and irrelevant?
  • I think the 'Season/team' column in the teams section should be split into two, one for 'Season' and one for 'Team', just to give the reader the ability to sort the table by team names.
Done both.—Chris!c/t 23:07, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

— Martin tamb (talk) 17:29, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Great job! — Martin tamb (talk) 10:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:26, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • I think Finals MVP awards should be included.
  • Not a bad idea, but there is not enough room in the table.—Chris!c/t 18:39, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • We might be able to create space if we can reduce some column's width by abbreviating (e.g. Points-->Pts, Rebounds-->R, Assists-->A, Most Valuable Player-->MVP, etc.) Dabomb87 (talk) 18:45, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok, if you insist :)—Chris!c/t 18:52, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Need to define those position abbreviations in the key, though. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:29, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done all.—Chris!c/t 00:59, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Instead of using the headers "teams selected" and "coaches selected", I think you should use the official names of those lists (e.g. "Top 10 Coaches in NBA History"). Dabomb87 (talk) 03:30, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done—Chris!c/t 03:53, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:26, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments
  1. Could u please add a year column instead of adding this under the Names? This would allow sorting according to Year.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 10:38, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Why not have an image column? This wouldn't crush the list that much since "MVP won", Championships won and Finals MVP won are mostly none and could have their width reduced.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 10:38, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not a good idea since the image column would be empty. Most players don't have free image available.—Chris!c/t 21:35, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like 22 of the 50 don't have an image...--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 21:49, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Half of the column is empty. That doesn't seem visually pleasing for me. What about I added some images up in the voters section? That way, the article has more image without having to add an additional column to the table. Also the first point done.—Chris!c/t 21:56, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, please add the images to the voters list, choose the best (images) players, add a good caption and alt text.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 22:07, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This will take a while, but considered it done.—Chris!c/t 22:09, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done.—Chris!c/t 01:39, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please add one more image to the voters section.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:35, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(outdent) I originally had one more but not enough room.—Chris!c/t 22:43, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. "as the NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team " I think the "the" is incorrect here.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:46, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done—Chris!c/t 18:58, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Doesn't "Grand Hyatt Hotel in New York City" and "Commodore Hotel" have wikilinks?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:46, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No—Chris!c/t 18:58, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. How does the vote exactly work? Does each one of them write a 50 member list or do they raise hands for supports and opposes or what exactly?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:46, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not clear. The NBA never disclosed that.—Chris!c/t 18:58, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. There is a problem with the Year sorting because of the dashes. The third and 4th time you click sort by year stay on dash.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 09:50, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I added a hidden sort key so it should sort before the earliest year.—Chris!c/t 22:44, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Alongside the selection of the 50 greatest players, was the selection of the Top 10 Coaches in NBA History." "Alongside the selection of the 50 greatest players, was the selection of the Top 10 Teams in NBA History." Are very similar to each other , could u rephrase one?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed—Chris!c/t 22:52, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The title "50 Greatest Players in NBA History" doesn't really reflect the content. The list isn't just about the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History but also the Top 10 coaches and top 10 teams. Should these lists even be in this list?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The lead doesn't include the top 10 coaches and teams. Please summarize the sections in the lead.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the primary announcement made by the NBA is about the 50 players, so the title reflects that. Both the coach and team lists are just additional honors selected to accompany with the main player list. Also, the second sentence in the lead already mentions the coach and team lists. Don't you think that summarize the sections adequately?—Chris!c/t 22:49, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Geraldk (talk) 20:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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