Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/1980 Winter Olympics medal table/archive1

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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 23:04, 20 July 2010 [1].

1980 Winter Olympics medal table

Featured list candidates/1980 Winter Olympics medal table/archive1

Nominator(s): Courcelles (talk) 12:12, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When I came across this list a few months ago, it was to revert vandalism. Since then, I've tinkered with it a little off and on, and after a major push yesterday I think it is ready. Oh, and it's an article about the Lake Placid Games in which the words "ice hockey" and "miracle" do not appear! I look forward to any comments you have. Courcelles (talk) 12:12, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Staxringold _talk^contribs 15:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Comments I know it was a joke, but do you think the Miracle on Ice deserves a mention? The ice hockey tourny is a big event at any Winter Olympics, and this one obviously holds especially high notability. The only example I can think of from things I worked on was including Shot Heard 'Round the World (baseball) when I wrote up List of Major League Baseball tie-breakers because it was such a massively notable event that took place during something covered by the list. Surely the same applies here? I won't oppose over this, though, as it's more of a discussion-sparking question than a complaint. Staxringold _talk^contribs 18:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've added Miracle on Ice to the see also section, but I'm not sure it merits mentioning in the prose for this article- it's one medal, and wasn't even the final match for that medal. The paragraph that discusses Eric Heiden could handle some expansion, though, and that'd be the best place it would fit. Let me see if I can make anything work. I could swap Mark Johnson's picture for one of the ones in there now, if you'd like, though. Courcelles (talk) 23:06, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tried something else entirely, which breaks the pattern, but I think should have been mentioned- that team medals are counted only once. Just can't find a way to work one medal into the discussion that makes sense. Courcelles (talk) 03:04, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Some comparisons to 2008 Summer Olympics medal table (as a featured example). Why "37 nations" and not "37 NOCs" as in the 08 list? Why "sport disciplines" and not simply "sports". Staxringold _talk^contribs 18:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No real reason, though I think nations is fine in that every competing NOC at Lake Placid was a nation, whereas Beijing had NOC's for sub-national entities like the U.S. Virgin Islands, Hong Kong, etc. Changed sport disciplines->sports; there's no distinction for the Winter Games. (For a Summer Games, there is a minor distinction.) Courcelles (talk) 23:06, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"and was second overall with 22" to be clearer perhaps "and had the second most total medals with 22."? Staxringold _talk^contribs 18:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, changed. Thanks for the review. Courcelles (talk) 23:06, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support Staxringold _talk^contribs 15:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments. This is nearly FL material, there just a few tiny things I'd like to point out:
- "Athletes from 19 countries won at least one medal, leaving 18 countries without a medal, and 11 countries won at least one gold medal." — Never quite liked this sentence's construction, which is also on the 2010 Winter Olympics medal table featured list. Perhaps... "Among the 19 countries which won at least one medal, 11 secured at least one gold medal."? There's really no need to count those which did not win a medal (the total is given just above... it's easy to do the math):
- Done.
- ~~"The Soviet Union, after winning..." — Start the sentence with "After winning..." by moving "The Soviet Union" further down;~~
  - Done
- ~~If you follow the suggestion above, then change "After winning her country's..." to "Having won her country's..." to avoid repetition;~~
  - Done
- ~~"prior" → before;~~
  - Done
- Who is Hanni Wenzel? In which sport did she win gold? Also, you can say that instead of winning the country's first Olympic gold medal (and also second), she won her country's only two Olympic gold medals. — Parutakupiu (talk) 23:06, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Pretty much re-worked the Wenzel sentence entirely, see what you think. Thanks for the review. Courcelles (talk) 02:11, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Good work. Parutakupiu (talk) 12:56, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 22:32, 18 July 2010 (UTC)~[reply]

*Comments:

- "The host United States were third in both gold medals and overall," both gold and overall medals.
- Link Innsbruck.

Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 16:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Both done, thanks. Courcelles (talk) 17:43, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 22:32, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Comment~~ Support – "Athletes from 19 countries won at least one medal, and 11 secured at least one gold medal." The 11 seems to be referring strictly to countries, which doesn't match precisely with the beginning of the sentence. I know adding "and xxx from 11" would make this wordier, but I think the improvement in meaning would be worth it. That's all I saw. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:26, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point. Done, and thanks. Courcelles (talk) 01:20, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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