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The article was promoted by Ian Rose 13:44, 18 October 2012 [1].


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Nominator(s): Brianboulton (talk) 23:00, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Warlock, real name Philip Arthur Heseltine, was an oddball English composer and music critic. Entirely self-taught, but influenced mainly by Delius and Van Dieren, he composed highly individual music, and also wrote analysis and criticism with insight and authority, especially on the subject of 16th century music. He enjoyed a hedonistic lifestyle with generous helpings of booze, girls and nude motorcycling, before dying at 36 "of drink and copulation/A sad discredit to the nation" according to his own predictive epitaph. I hope the article provides some insight into what made him tick. It has been fully peer-reviewed, but further suggestions are always welcome. Brianboulton (talk) 23:00, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

SupportComment. Fabulous writing, as usual, and an entrancing subject.

  • In the summer of 1915, Channing is an artist's model; by winter she is an "ex-model". Really?
  • There's no indication hat she carried on modelling after she met Heseltine, but I've removed the wording. Brianboulton (talk) 11:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Am I right to take it that Channing is referred to by the sources as "Puma"? The use of the nickname throughout the entry, without quote marks, otherwise seems inappropriate.
  • Yes, I have followed the sources in introducing the name with quote marks and then referring to her as Puma without quotes. It seems that the nickname was in general use as her name, like, say, Tiger Woods. Brianboulton (talk) 11:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the Bartók's music"? Only Bela has been referred to, so not sure why "the"; and the possessive is singular. What gives??
  • "a flexible population of artists, musicians and womenfolk". "Womenfolk" here strikes an off note. It does not quite sound contemporary, and presumes that they were neither artists nor musicians (which may be correct, but would need to be known to be so). In fact, later in the para we are told of the presence of, eg, Nina Hamnett, and then "sundry friends of both sexes" (this seems the better description and perhaps should be the only reference made?).
  • Yes, you'e right; "womenfolk" sounds impersonal and rather dismissive. I have altered the text. Brianboulton (talk) 11:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "beginnings of a new will was found" - it may be one will, but the beginnings of it (if beginnings there were) are plural.
  • the quote "Warlock's rattling good tunes and appropriately full-blooded accompanimant" - is that spelling of accompaniment in the original?

Thank you for this well-crafted bio. hamiltonstone (talk) 12:15, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And thank you for your comments, all now addressed. Brianboulton (talk) 11:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I've indicated my support. Lovely work. hamiltonstone (talk) 11:38, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your kind comments and the support. Brianboulton (talk) 13:29, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Comments from Jim A great article, just a few nitpicks before I support. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:18, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fennimore and Gerda, Cecil Gray, Queen's Hall — have multiple links in main text
  • depressed, coal-gas, libretto, Elizabethan, Utopian — links?
  • I'm not sure that "depressed" and "coal gas" require links. The others do, and I have added them. Brianboulton (talk) 15:53, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • to a remote island — too remote to have a name?
  • Heseltine doesn't name it. Gray thinks it might have been Achill Island (hardly remote; even then it was connected to the mainland by a bridge) or the Aran Isles. It could have been the Blasket Islands, where only Gaelic was spoken. It's all guesswork, and best left as it is. Brianboulton (talk) 15:53, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Celtic folk-tale Liadain and Curithir — add ninth-century?
  • the Bartók's — ??
  • I had several problems with the following source "Fenby, Eric (ed.) (Autumn 1987). "The Published Writings of Philip Heseltine on Delius" . The Delius Society Journal (94)." I appreciate that I'm coming from a different direction, but just checking that you are following a standard practice for music articles.
  • All the other non-book publications are in "Citations"
  • If this were a scientific journal, I wouldn't expect a season, just year, and I'd expect 94(3) — if it's the third issue of the year.
  • I'd also expect a page range for the article within the journal, with all the citations pointing to that range
  • The Delius Society Journal publishes twice a year, in April and October. I think it used to be quarterly, though I'm not sure. The issue that I have used indicates "Autumn 1987", not a date, and is specified as No. 94. This issue was entirely devoted to Fenby's presentation of Heseltine's writings on Delius; it is not one article among several in a learned journal. For this reason, it seems appropriate to list the source with the books and to cite to page numbers accordingly. For good measure I have now added the ISSN reference. Brianboulton (talk) 15:53, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Aldershot UK, Llandysul, Dyfed, (Wales), Sutton, Surrey — three different formats for the less familiar locations. Aldershot has a county (Hampshire), Wales is in the UK (or Aldershot is in England), and I don't think Sutton is better known than Aldershot. Personally, I'd give counties for all and countries for none.

Thanks, Jim, for your review and comments. Brianboulton (talk) 15:53, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm happy with most of the responses, although that the fact that you don't think that coal gas needs a link suggests that, like me, you are an editor of a certain vintage. I'm not sure it's so obvious to the younger folk. Nevertheless, I'm not going to let that deter me from supporting an excellent article, changed above Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:26, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support Had my say at the peer review. Image and spot not done. Seems well worthy; I was completely unfamiliar with the subject matter before reading the article!--Wehwalt (talk) 17:05, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Images:

  • File:Peter Warlock.jpg needs a US copyright tag. Indeed I don't understand how the PD-70 works on it considering it has an unknown author.
  • I must apologise. I had noticed when preparing the article that the licence tag was wrong, but then completely forgot to deal with it. As you say, one cannot claim PD-70 for a photograph as recent as this, if the photographer is unknown. Furthmore, the image has been published many times, in Gray's 1934 biography and in Smith 1994, to name but two instances. I have hunted long and hard for a pre-1923 published photograph of Heseltine, with no success. This is not surprising, since he didn't really become known until the mid- to late 1920s. Therefore I am including this image on a non-free basis, with a fair use rationale. If a free image of Heseltine should come to light, then of course this image (rescanned and retitled File:Warlock1924.jpg will be replaced. Brianboulton (talk) 19:45, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • This also looks a little dubious. I am investigating further, but I will probably either dump it or replace it. Brianboulton (talk) 19:45, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Later): As Lawrence is a marginal figure in this article, it scarcely seems worth spending lots of time trying to establish whether this image or another is PD. So I have replaced it with a 1912 painting of the Cafe Royal, Hseltines stamping ground in the 19-teens. Brianboulton (talk) 20:48, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 18:16, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done

  • Parrot or Parrott?
  • Be consistent in whether you include dates in short cites where they aren't needed for disambiguation (Copley, Smith)
  • I have included the Smith & Copley book years to avoid any confusion with other source material from these authors. A few missing years have now been filled in. Brianboulton (talk) 16:42, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Compare formatting on FNs 20 and 82, check for similar
  • FN13: formatting
  • FN34: spacing
  • FN59: pages?
  • ISBN corrected (digits in wrong order). Thanks for the review. Brianboulton (talk) 16:42, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delegate note -- Hi Brian, just one thing: I'd expect to see the last bit of Cologne, Oxford and London cited. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:24, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Ian! The citation was somehow lost during this edit; I have restored it. How could I miss such a thing? Definitely losing my touch (see Jim's earlier comment about my "vintage"). Brianboulton (talk) 23:54, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Come now, Brian, I know you just did to see if I was still alert after weeks away travelling... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:04, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]


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