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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted 18:03, 4 April 2008.

Paul Stastny edit

Paul Stastny, son of Peter Stastny, is a sophomore NHLer playing for the Colorado Avalanche. The article, is a very comprehensive overview of his personal life, pre-NHL career and current times, and in my humble, biased opinion, worthy for FA status. I'm the copyeditor; User:Serte is the main writer, however, he asked me to take a look over it and I think we've agreed to nominate this. Maxim(talk) 23:25, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Serte here. I'd like to thank Maxim for the help and let's hear your comments.--Serte [ Talk · Contrib ] 21:28, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*Comment Good article, very thorough for a second year player. Have a few suggestions for it:

  • Stastny's international totals should be in a table under Career statistics, as has been done on most other NHL player articles.
  • In Style of play, it mentions Matt Carle praising Stastny's play. It would be a good idea to explain who Carle is, as he is not well known even within the hockey world.
  • The opening mentions that he is Peter Šťastný's son, but Paul's name notably doesn't include diacritics. It would be a good idea to explain why Paul doesn't have diacritics in his name, even in the form of a footnote.
  • As mentioned earlier at a review of the article, if there is any way to find another image of Stastny would help the article a lot. Granted that is a difficult task, but it would make the article less drab. While not really necesary, it will help. Kaiser matias (talk) 01:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks good, just find the wording for the explanation of the name change a little clumsy. Kaiser matias (talk) 06:32, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support All my issues resolved
  • How about now? You can fix it if you wish, this is a wiki. ;-) Maxim(talk) 11:44, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have sent a mail to a user on Flickr with many good images of Stastny, who has licensed his images under CC-BY-NC-SA and asked if he could change it to CC-BY-SA which would allow them to be used on wikipedia. --Krm500 (talk) 04:07, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • He has replied and will gladly upload higher resolution of the images and with wikipedia compatible license. He really liked the article too ;) --Krm500 (talk) 05:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Images added to the article, there's two more images if needed. --Krm500 (talk) 00:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Much better images, thanks a lot. :-) Maxim(talk) 11:49, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a note about the diacritics, for the Carle bit, I don't think it's a necessary bit, and it fit in awkwardly with the rest of the section, as for the international stats I haven't been able to find them. I've searched NHL.com, tsn.ca, hockeydb.com, avalanche.nhl.com and some random Google hits. If you can find them, that'll be great. Thanks, Maxim(talk) 19:25, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Maxim, he has International stats in his NHL profile for the World Championship. (Not for the Viking Cup because that's a junior competition). I guess that can be added.--Serte [ Talk · Contrib ] 21:28, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ack, gotta read more carefully. I've added them in. Maxim(talk) 01:26, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
Issues resolved, Ealdgyth - Talk 22:23, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Something is off in the formatting for current ref 23 (Denver Pioneers 2005-2006 Men's Hockey Schedule: Results) I'm not sure where the m.html in the front of the title came from. I tried to fix it but the quick fix I tried didn't work, and I don't know enough about the subject to feel comfortable mucking about too much and breaking things.
All other links checked out fine with the tool. Sources looked good. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:51, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Was a problem with a space between ,m and .html... or something similar. Ref 17 also had the same problem.;-) BTW, I replied to your comments at the Plante FAC. Maxim(talk) 20:11, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment
  • PDF sources should be labeled.
  • The image caption doesn't require a full-stop.
  • "the 3-0 win" - dash
  • Non-breaking spaces needed, eg. "34 games", "15 goals"
  • that "... his game isn't flashy and eye-popping as much as it is heady, intuitive and efficient." - logical quotation needed
  • Ref authors are inconsistently formatted. Epbr123 (talk) 13:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • All fixed. Thanks for your comments, they're the first in four days. :-) Maxim(talk) 14:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved issues from Nishkid64 (Make articles, not love) 04:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Comments I ran through the article and it looks pretty good. I do have some comments/suggestions:

    • "He stayed there for two seasons, winning the NCAA Men's Ice Hockey Championship in his first season" – maybe it's me, but this seems awkwardly phrased. Any chance you could split it into something like "He led his team to the NCAA Men's Ice Hockey Championship in his first season. He played another year before leaving." Sorry, I'm not that good with wording, or else I would have corrected it myself.
      • Fixed.
    • "Paul Stastny comes from a noted hockey family." – "noted"? I understand what you mean, but this word would confuse other readers.
      • Reworded. Tough to express this in good English...
    • I think you should include details about Stastny's playing style in the lead.
      • Done.
    • "Peter and Anton were the first of the three brothers" – You listed both Peter and Anton, but then said "first of the three brothers"
      • Fixed.
    • Time frame of the defection? I can only assume it was the late 1970s, early 1980s. Also, could you explain why they defected? I do know there was some anti-Communism activism led by Havel at the time, but I don't recall there being any major political turmoil at the time.
      • Fixed.
    • Random trivia nut, here. Could you mention the first three brothers to play for the same NHL team at the same time? It doesn't need to be in the text; you can incorporate this in a footnote.
      • They were three Bentleys;-) Added to article.
    • "Peter and Paul Stastny currently rank fourth all-time in total scoring by a father-son combination in the NHL." seems a bit detached; you go from the three brothers directly to Paul's NHL stats.
      • Fixed.
    • I suggest you move any mention of Yan Stastny from the first para of "Early years" to somewhere in the second paragraph. You mention Paul's admiration for his brother's work ethic. Could you elaborate? The admiration might be more relevant if you establish some sort of context: i.e. Paul admired his older brother and tried to emulate his hard work in hockey.
      • Removed, no context...
    • Could you move the Stastny's stats in the first line of "Pre-NHL" to the end of the paragraph? It would be more suited if you wrote about his career with the Lancers and summed it up with his two-year stats.
      • I disagree, I see it as a good introduction, and the general stats are expanded upon with more detail in the rest of the paragraph
    • Are the hockey year links necessary? Some of them seem unnecessary.
      • They're usually used in all hockey articles, it provides context. You're not as familiar with the article, so you might better than me at picking them out
        • Well, I'm going by experiences with baseball articles. Initially, years were linked in every instance they appeared, but it seems this practice has since been abandoned. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not love) 04:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Duhatschek's comment: what symmetry? what would unsymmetrical development be?
      • Fixed.
    • Second para of "Colorado Avalanche": seems best to remove "strong chemistry" and elaborate how he became closely tied with Hejduk (who rocks!)
      • Fixed
    • "At the start of the season Wojtek Wolski..." – woah, long sentence.
      • Yowch. Fixed.
    • As mentioned in my edit summary here, the prose is weak in paragraph three of "Colorado Avalanche". This needs to be looked at.
      • Fixed.
    • With the regular season almost over, it might be appropriate to update the article. The most recent info is about a February 22 game against the Coyotes. Nishkid64(Make articles, not love) 05:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • He hasn't been making big news lately, AFAIK. I don't think there's much of a point of making an update, but usually someone will update when they find something interesting, and half the time, they're anons.
    • Out of curiosity, was there any reason why Paul Stastny's last name doesn't include the same diacritics seen in his father's name? Nishkid64 (Make articles, not love) 05:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support My concerns have been properly address. Excellent article, Maxim and Serte! Nishkid64 (Make articles, not love) 04:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support—very well-written. Nice. TONY (talk) 10:29, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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