Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Nine Inch Nails

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted 01:32, 14 October 2007.

Nine Inch Nails edit

Previous FAC

Nomination restarted (Old nom) Raul654 01:53, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support - reasons on previous nom. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:16, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per 1d. Examples;

"The fruit of Reznor's disillusionment with his record label and culmination of the band's harsh, aggressive live sound, the Broken EP of six songs and two bonus tracks was released in 1992." - All this is speculation on behalf of the writer. For example, the fact the EP is "a culmination of the band's harsh, aggressive live sound" is a critical opinion and not fact. Some may debate for example that NIN's live work didn't have any bearing on the EP.

Done Removed the speculative POV. BotleySmith 04:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"A 10th anniversary deluxe reissue.. Elsewhere in the article, the words "first" and "second" are used. Either use "1st", "2nd" and "10th" or "first", "second" and "tenth".

Done Fixed. BotleySmith 04:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"As a result, NIN's first decade ended with a long period of relative silence." - "Long"? According to..? "Relative"? Relative to what? Please refrain from using adjectives, which are usually biased and POV.

Done Took out the sentence and reworded the one just before it a bit. Drewcifer 16:53, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Without sufficient promotion from Interscope Records, however, it slipped out of the charts soon afterward" - Whose opinion is it that the album slipped out of the charts due to insufficient promotion? Reznor's? Some critic somewhere? The reasons for an album's success or lack of are opinions, and not facts. It may be the case that someone else may argue the album didn't fare as well because the material wasn't as strong as The Downward Spiral, or the fact that the album had no momentum (given the five year gap between releases). LuciferMorgan 15:19, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Duly removed. BotleySmith 05:03, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"In response to this successful experiment, Reznor.." - What is and is not successful is an opinion. Did Reznor deem it successful, for example? Or did a critic say he felt the experiment was successful? LuciferMorgan 14:40, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Removed the phrase. Drewcifer 02:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"It features lyrics written from the perspective of multiple fictitious characters, leading critics to draw comparisons between it and the character-driven The Downward Spiral." "Critics" suggests more than one, whereas only Rolling Stone's Rob Sheffield has expressed that opinion. Therefore, the opinion should be attributed to Sheffield. LuciferMorgan 14:43, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Reworded the whole sentence to speak more directly about the album, while removing the mention of TDS. Drewcifer 02:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"..while others such as Robert Christgau criticized the album as "shtick".[48]" Who, besides Christgau, has criticised the album as "shtick". "Others" is a plural word (as you know), suggesting more than critic has expressed this opinion. LuciferMorgan 14:47, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Reworded. Drewcifer 02:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"On these tours, Reznor quickly gained a reputation for smashing equipment on stage out of frustration... " - gained a reputation amongst whom specifically? And why is the word "quickly" used? Did he do it quicker than someone usually does. To be able to deem something quick, you have to be able to compare it to similar equivalents. LuciferMorgan 20:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Reworded. Drewcifer 23:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"The album slipped out of the charts soon afterward". "Soon" is an opinion, and what can be deemed "soon" varies from person to person. How many weeks following after its release did it fall out of the Billboard Top 40, or Top 200? If the article said when it fell out of the Top 50 or Top 200 etc., then it would be more factual. LuciferMorgan 15:57, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Fixed. Drewcifer 18:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"This was released soon after the 2000 Fragility tour, which itself was recorded and released on CD, DVD, and VHS in 2002 as And All that Could Have Been." As stated above, what can be deemed "soon" differs from person to person. LuciferMorgan 16:09, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Reworded. Drewcifer 18:47, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Spending two years on the album charts, Pretty Hate Machine became one of the first independently released records to attain platinum certification.[1]" Which "album charts" specifically? Billboard Top 200? Billboard Independent Charts? Just saying "album charts" is too vague. LuciferMorgan 15:59, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done The source itself does not specificy, so I was forced to take it out. I believe this hurts the article's coverage of the album greatly, but it appears I have no choice in the matter. Drewcifer 18:53, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

According to this, it spent at least 113 weeks (two years and then some) on the Billboard top 200. Raul654 02:45, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So, using that source, the article can say it spent 113 weeks on the Billboard Top 200. Good find Raul. :) LuciferMorgan 06:50, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome work Raul! Implemented the source and redid the sentence.Drewcifer 21:13, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support as per my comments on the previous nom. --Brandt Luke Zorn 17:09, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support great job, very detailed and illustrated. It's 61kb long, but nothing seems unnecessary. igordebraga ≠ 23:34, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support well-written and precise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.238.209.251 (talk) 18:16, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Much improved. Axl 18:30, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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