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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was archived by Hog Farm via FACBot (talk) 19 May 2022 [1].

Jews in Hong Kong edit

Nominator(s): — Golden call me maybe? 20:35, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Jewish community of Hong Kong, although small, has played a great role in the development and history of the city. Taking root from two wealthy Baghdadi trader families of Sassoon and Kadoorie, the Jewish community experienced several waves of growth. As of 2019, there are about 5,000 Jews of different denominations living in Hong Kong.

I rewrote this article 3 months ago. It was reviewed and passed as a Good Article and also as a Did You Know 2 months ago. I nominated this article for FA back in early March but it was archived due to low participation. Since then, I've done quite a bit of work on the sourcing of the article and think it's ready to be renominated. — Golden call me maybe? 20:35, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Courtesy pinging previous participators: A455bcd9, Kavyansh.Singh

  • Image review—pass no licensing issues found. (t · c) buidhe 21:35, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are some issues with opinions being stated as facts:
    • "Therefore, it is difficult to say with certainty that the dominant neutral attitude towards Jews means there is no latent antisemitism"[according to whom?]?
    • "the tone of the English-language press in Hong Kong has always been somewhat biased against Israel" -> the newspapers involved probably don't agree that they are biased. Furthermore, it's doubtful that purported bias against Israel belongs in the antisemitism section at all since this would require accepting certain controversial assumptions about what antisemitism is.
    • "One such case involved a Chinese bar owner who displayed photos of murdered Jews from a Nazi concentration camp in his bar" -> while in poor taste, the source suggests that the bar owner did it for shock value so whether the incident is motivated by antisemitism seems at least questionable.
  • "The two communities did not even pray together and buried the dead in different parts of the Jewish cemetery." well duh, Sephardim and Ashkenazim have different methods of worship and often maintain separate cemeteries. The article shouldn't make this sound surprising
  • "Missouri Synod of the Lutheran Church" -> the name of the church is Missouri Synod or Lutheran Church–Missouri Synod, there is no overall "Lutheran Church" organization that represents all Lutherans (t · c) buidhe 21:35, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Buidhe: Thanks for reviewing the article! I have now attributed the opinion sentence to Jonathan Goldstein and corrected the name of Lutheran Church–Missouri Synod. About the bar incident, the source mentions it as an example of antisemitism in Hong Kong, so I believe it's fine to include. — Golden call me maybe? 21:56, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I didn't say it should be removed (although arguably it is the kind of incident that does not merit mention in an overview article like this), but it would be more in keeping with NPOV to say that Jews complained about the incident rather than assert in Wikipedia voice that it's an example of antisemitism. (t · c) buidhe 22:02, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The following needs to be removed: Jewish Virtual Library, not a RS; Forbes contributors, not RS; iUniverse, not RS.
  • If Karel Weiss is that prominent, why is the only source a brief blog with no credited author? What makes Jewish Historical Society of Hong Kong a high-quality reliable source?
  • He was apparently not that prominent as I didn't find any other information on him online. I've removed him from the article. — Golden call me maybe?
  • Some refs do not have the date in the ref, even news sources that should have a date.
  • Encyclopedia of the Jewish Diaspora: Origins, Experiences, and Culture -> is the author correct or is there a different author for the Hong Kong entry? It says that Ehrlich is the editor not the author.
  • I read through every single article/book you suggested here (except China and Ashkenazic Jewry: Transcultural Encounters as it, from what I gathered from the preview, doesn't have that much new info about Hong Kong Jews) and expanded the article and improved the sourcing accordingly. Thanks a lot for these suggestions! — Golden call me maybe?

On this basis I'm going to oppose. (t · c) buidhe 22:02, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Striking oppose, concerns have been reasonably addressed. (t · c) buidhe 04:06, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Buidhe: Hello again! I've addressed all of your points above, hopefully they're satisfactory. — Golden call me maybe? 20:51, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on the basis of criterion 1f. I came across this article at CopyPatrol: [2] (click "iThenticate report" to see what the bot found). Copying verbatim from a copyright source (2002) and presenting it as original prose isn't cool and I'm concerned about the possibility of more, from other sources. DanCherek (talk) 20:55, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @DanCherek: Really sorry for that! I added the copyvio accidentally (I had copied it from the source to later paraphrase it but forgot a few parts that showed up in CopyPatrol) about 15 minutes before your comment here. It should be fixed now. — Golden call me maybe? 21:10, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Struck, thanks for rewriting. DanCherek (talk) 12:12, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Coord note: We're near the 3-week mark, so the article is likely to be archived in the next few days if there is no progress towards promotion. (t · c) buidhe 12:08, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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