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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 02:34, 13 December 2007.

History of Northwest Territories capital cities

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I am nominating this article for a second time, I have done significant work, to add citations references and clean up the prose --Cloveious 04:58, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Very interesting article and worthy for me to review it later. One suggestion comes to mind. How about different red maps. Not all the ones are shown. How about the one just before Nunavut was created? Mrs.EasterBunny 01:24, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thank you for your comments, Your suggestion is a good idea, I considered putting the 1912 map in a couple years ago, but could not make fit at the time, things have changed and I forgot all about it. I have added the appropriate map in, and, I believe I have added an appropriate caption to make it relevant. --Cloveious 08:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support After reading the article, I see no reason why this article should be knocked back in my opinion. I didn't see the previous FAC but because this article is very good, I don't doubt your word that you have done lots of hard work! Well done. Aflumpire 08:58, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pagrashtak 00:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for bringing those items to my attention, I have added the appropriate tags --Cloveious 03:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Was this you? Do you hold the copyright to that image? You've marked Image:Fort Smith 1920s.jpg as published before 1923, but I can't find the date of publication. Can you point me to that? Pagrashtak 16:09, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The copyright and information for the Fort Smith photo, is linked from the photo [1] It says [1920's] / Fort Smith, N.W.T. — 1 item Copyright: Expired. Credit: Canada. Post Office Department / Library and Archives Canada / C-003268. The Flag in the template I am presuming Caleb Moore drew it and uploaded it, It was originally a jpg uploaded by somebody and then that was deleted and converted to svg for what ever reason and uploaded by User:Jeltz who marked it with the PD tag. I had nothing ever to do with the flags uploading or drawing, I just picked what I thought would be best tag because I thought the person that was drew it was releasing it. This tag non sense is frustrates me and if you can fix it then please do. --Cloveious 23:29, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I was the original uploader of the Image:Fort Smith 1920s.jpg image. It was 2 years ago when I was finding my way through the copyright maze that entangles so many. In my defense it was before the {{PD-Canada}} was created. I removed the {{PD-US-1923-abroad}} template. The {{PD-Canada}} alone should be sufficient. --maclean 02:35, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
PD-Canada is not enough—the image could still be considered copyrighted in the US. Pagrashtak 14:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Removed image. Not an important image, don't want it to bog down the FAC. --maclean 19:07, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What do you you mean {{PD-Canada}} is not enough? please explain, there are Images in the article Canada that passed FA such as Image:Canadian tank and soldiers Vimy 1917.jpg for example with that tag --Cloveious 23:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As I just said above, the image could still be considered copyrighted in the US. Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation are based in the US, so it is important that we respect US copyright. You'll notice that {{PD-Canada}} says "[The image page] should also have a rationale explaining the copyright status of the work in the U.S." Right now, that image does not. However, since it has been removed from the article, it doesn't affect this FAC. If you'd like to discuss further, we should probably take it to our talk pages or Wikipedia talk:Public domain. Pagrashtak 17:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pass & support. On the basis that it's fine and it appears that's enough to pass. Leranedo 09:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Unique topic nicely put together. --maclean 00:57, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose—Well, I hope it's unique, or it shouldn't be an article at all on WP. Prose needs attention throughout; please ask someone else to do it—that's what I'd do. Here are random examples.
  • Flicking through at random, I see glitches in the prose. Examples are:
    • "co-joined" --> "conjoined".
    • "modern day Canada"—hyphen? Read MOS.
    • "comprised of"—no. Here are the choices: "comprised", "consisted of", and "composed of". See Fowler for the nuances, although they're mostly used interchangeably nowadays. Tony (talk) 15:44, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • "ordered the outpost to be packed up"—That's what I do before travelling to the airport.
Hi, thank you for your comments, I will do my best to bring the prose up to a level that will satisfy you. I do not understand your reference to "Fowler" --Cloveious (talk) 08:10, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
H. W. Fowler's A Dictionary of Modern English Usage - considered by many to be the bible as far as good written English is concerned. Carre (talk) 13:34, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Never heard of it before --Cloveious (talk) 14:24, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • User:Hoary puts it this way: he was mesmerised by Fowler at age 13 (but soon moved on). It does contain a lot of useful advice, if you can cope with the pompous, class-ridden, sexist assumptions. It's grammar as a moral vehicle. And Fowler's own writing is just over the top—like playing Twister and doing a hoola dance at once. Now, some of my pet hates are emblazoned in the lead, such as "outside of" and numerous other redundancies. Take the first para:

The history of Northwest Territories capital cities begins with the purchase of the Territories by Canada from the Hudson's Bay Company in 1869 and includes a varied and often difficult evolution. Northwest Territories is unique amongst the Canadian province or territory in that it has had seven capital cities in its history. The territory has changed the seat of government for numerous reasons, including

    • "Began" and "has included"? Past tense used elsewhere.
    • "in having had seven capital cities."
    • "the" --> "its s o g for reasons including ..."
    • "£300,000 British pounds"—symbol and name?
    • "After the purchase, the Government decided to merge both of the properties into a single jurisdiction and appoint a single territorial government to run both. The purchase of the two territories added a sizable portion of the current Canadian landmass." "Properties" might confuse—usually refers to smaller areas. "Both" x 2. The second is undesirable on logical grounds, anyway. They'd been merged already.
    • Ref 10: I had to work too hard to realise that this is part of a local-government web site; I'm still not quite sure, actually. No author, doesn't look authoritative, and the assertion that it supports could surely be backed up by another of your references. Audit the references as a whole, please.

I still think this needs too much work to become an FA. Not yet, anyway. Tony (talk) 04:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per Tony1--Keerllston 22:12, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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