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Hensley Henson

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Nominator(s): Tim riley talk 12:37, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about an English bishop who was not averse to ecclesiastical fisticuffs. I'm not sure how comfortable he would have been to know personally, but I have much enjoyed reading about him and writing him up here. I have a particular soft spot for the article as ten years ago it was informally reviewed by the late and still painfully missed Brian Boulton and shortly after that was reviewed for GAN by one of our leading lights on church history, Ealdgyth. I've added to it since then, and I look forward to comments from anyone kind enough to look in. Tim riley talk 12:37, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pickersgill-Cunliffe

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  • What a pleasingly alliterative name!
  • As you don't begin the article with his full name, both Herbert and Hensley are technically unreferenced!!
  • "Henson undertook their functions himself." which Henson are we referring to here?
  • "akin to that of an alien" are we able to say why this was the case?
  • "his researches"?
  • "October 1885" repeated year
  • "after being ordained deacon" my religious knowledge is very poor, but I was under the impression that one would be ordained a deacon of a particular church/diocese. Is this the case here?
  • No. An ordinary C of E deacon is a deacon anywhere in the C of E. It's like a lance-vicar, as it were. (I think there are other kinds of deacons, more specialised, but HH wasn't one such.) Tim riley talk 15:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • What's Salisbury's original connection to Henson? His patronage seems to come out of nowhere!
  • Salisbury was associated in a lay capacity with St Margaret's, Barking, but I think it would be going into rather too much detail to expand on this, though I'm willing to negotiate. Tim riley talk 15:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Chadwick writes that it was said of Henson"
  • Paragraph ending "Few of his colleagues agreed with him, even those dismayed by the parliamentary vote." is uncited
  • "Henson retired from Durham"
  • There is no requirement, as far as I can see, in the MoS to use a name at first mention in any para. The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography does, in fact, pretty much do so in its article on Henson, but doesn't do so systematically for other subjects, and personally I like to keep the surnames under control and use pronouns whenever they convey the intended meaning.

That's all I have for now. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 14:16, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some smashing points there – thank you so much, Pickersgill-Cunliffe! Tim riley talk 15:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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MSincccc

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Placeholder for now. MSincccc (talk) 17:50, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • While there, and as Dean of Durham (1913–1918), he wrote prolifically and often controversially.
  • In 1920 after two years in the largely rural diocese of Hereford,...
  • ...; because of this some members of the Anglo-Catholic wing of the Church of England accused him of heresy and sought unsuccessfully to block his appointment as Bishop of Hereford in 1917. Dropped the comma before "and".
  • He campaigned against prohibition, the exploitation of foreign workers by British companies, and fascist and Nazi aggression. He supported reform of the divorce laws, the controversial 1928 revision of the Book of Common Prayer, and ecumenism. Can these two sentences be strategically combined for a more concise sentence?
    • In my view it would be cumbersome to attempt to cram three things HH campaigned against and three things he campaigned for into a single sentence. Would you care to suggest a form of words? Tim riley talk 08:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Tim riley You can use this- Henson campaigned against prohibition, the exploitation of foreign workers by British companies, and fascist and Nazi aggression, while supporting divorce law reform, the 1928 revision of the Book of Common Prayer, and ecumenism. MSincccc (talk) 10:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • But that would not be true. He did the six different things at different times, not simultaneously as your wording says. I don't in any case think replacing two sentences of 17 and 19 words with a single long one of 33 words does the reader any favours. Tim riley talk 10:45, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • MSincccc (talk) 17:59, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Life and career
    • His father was a zealous evangelical Christian who had renounced the Church of England and joined the Plymouth Brethren, whereas his mother shielded her children from the worst excesses of what biographer Matthew Grimley describes as Thomas's 'bigotry.' However, in 1870, she died, and, in Henson's words, 'with her died our happiness.' Provides for a smoother flow given that we know who his father and mother were from the previous lines.
    • ...allowed him either to be baptised or to attend school. Dropped the "a" before "school".
    • Thomas Henson was against the idea, partly because his financial means had declined, but was talked round by his wife and gave his consent. Do we need to mention his full name here; will either "Thomas" or "Henson" not do?
  • We discourage the use of forenames alone as too chummy and using the surname alone here would be ambiguous.

Comments by Wehwalt

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Just a placeholder, will return Monday or Tuesday.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:27, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Saving a space. UndercoverClassicist T·C 08:43, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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