Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Dragon Quest/archive3

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 16:38, 1 May 2011 [1].

Dragon Quest edit

Nominator(s): 陣内 _Jinnai 17:35, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I hope to get this or DW article as a FA before the May 25th anniversary for TFD. The article has gone through a recent FAC and failed, but did have some support already. There was concern about the use of general references in the article, which I'd like to address here.

Do to its length, I've moved my long-winded speech on general reference use to the article's talk page so it doesn't bloat this nomination.陣内 _Jinnai 17:35, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Image and deadlink review
Article has two images; both with good and proper fair-use rationale. No deadlinks.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:42, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. When I began reading the article, I wondered this could possibly be considered an FA, but as I read further I realized all the important information was there; the organization of said information is just really wonky for me. Discussing common elements between games before discussing the history and impact of the series, or even introducing the games themselves, seems really odd to me. I think someone who knows little or nothing about the series would be completely lost if he read the article from top to bottom. I am curious why this structure was chosen. I am leaning towards oppose on those grounds alone, but I do not believe this is a fatal flaw. I would be happy to take a crack at reorganizing the article a bit, but don't want to step on any toes. Indrian (talk) 10:19, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It was changed after a request by David Fuchs during the last FAC. Since video games typically discuss the gaemplay elements and plot first, and DF requested the change, its my opinion that this request better mirrors the general VG article structure.陣内_Jinnai 03:03, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, I disagree, but nothing will be served by a couple of editors going back and forth on what is at the end of the day a relatively minor structural change. Consider my concerns satisfied then. Indrian (talk) 06:56, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support - With all the efforts going into the article, it looks good for FA status. Thanks, Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:36, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Would it be possible to replace the Dragon Quest III image with something that perhaps depicts more content? I think that it may be best to use something with a background or more graphical detail such as the image used in Dragon Warrior or an image from recent games. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 01:52, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not beholden with that image so long as the rationale is the same, but do you have an idea?陣内 _Jinnai 15:40, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'd imagine that the one used in Dragon Warrior would be better; has more detail, illustrates just as much, and the image itself is an icon of the series. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 21:05, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is also the fact that this battle image also has a landscape for a background and not a black screen. Other than simply looking better this concept is as far as I know something that every game in the series has used since the 5th game. That means that this picture will also be more reflective of the battle screens that the more recent games has used as well as the remakes of the older games. Personally I would used the other image.--76.66.182.228 (talk) 03:46, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - sorry. The prose is below FA quality and the article needs an overhaul. It is difficult not to compare this to Halo 3, which is professionally written and engaging even to readers such as me, who do not play these games. I am reluctant to give examples because the tendency is often to address them alone. But since opposition must be actionable here are a few:

From the Notes section: "In every game except Dragon Quest VI the blue slime is encountered in the first overworld area with monsters—in Dragon Quest VII the first overland area has no monster encounters—the players explore." The entry between the emdashes is redundant and should be replaced with "that". "Monster encounters" also sounds wrong.
Here the logic is wrong, "The lack of save points and the general difficulty of the battles were included with the intention of adding a sense of tension." Absent concepts such as "save points" (whatever these may be) cannot be included.
This is strange, "The first four Dragon Quest titles..in their North American localizations". What does "North American Localizations mean?
Here we have "localizations again, " In May 2008 Square Enix announced localizations of the Nintendo DS remakes of Dragon Quest IV".
"before they beat the game"? Win the game?
"leveling requires grinding"? "levelling"?

I think the article would benefit from a fresh pair of eyes. Graham Colm (talk) 10:07, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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