Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/École L'Odyssée/archive1

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The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 01:41, 16 July 2010 [1].

École L'Odyssée

Featured article candidates/École L'Odyssée/archive1

Nominator(s): _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 21:21, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

École L'Odyssée is a high school in the region of Moncton, recently built to alleviate space in the only Francophone high school in the area, which currently holds a population of over 120,000 habitants. The article has just been upped to GA, and I was looking for a shot at FA. Please note again that the school is fairly new, so sources were quite scarce, but I think I managed to find enough. Thanks in advance. _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 21:21, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment—no dab links, no dead external links. Ucucha 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sources comment: Publisher details are essential for all citations. A great many of your references lack this information; see, for example, 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and many more. Some also lack titles, e.g. 1, 10. It might be advisable for you to use the cite web template to assist with these reference formats. If you feel you need advise on formatting, please ping my talkpage. Brianboulton (talk) 15:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I actually realized this exclusion of publisher information while doing another article. I'll be inserting them in around thirty minutes. Titles as well. I would also like to query on whether or not to use the {{citation}} templates; I find them very time-consuming to learn and use, and prefer the my style with <ref></ref> tags. Which would be the best option, if I formatted the references correctly? _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 16:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - There is no compulsion to use templates; many editors share your reservations and avoid them. Their benefit, I find, is that their fields remind you of what's needed, and they help ensure that formats are standardised. If you're happy without them, that's fine. Brianboulton (talk) 18:07, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - All fixed, left the ref tags as they were, but added archive links and a few other tweaks. _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 19:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Unfortunately, I think this needs quite a bit more work before it is ready. Some major issues that appear right away:
- The lead is not adequate to the article and needs to be expanded to summarize more than just the history.
- The writing is ungrammatical and/or unidiomatic in many places. For example:
  - "...the school holds 764 students out of its capacity of 850..."
  - "...the two schools were revealed to be attached side-to-side..."
  - "The city went under scrutiny after the death on November 30 of Erika Frenette..."
  - There are many others.
- Very undue weight on the schedule. If needs to be mentioned at all, it surely does not need a whole section.
- File:Odyssee-soccer-team.jpg is not freely licensed.
  - I could probably fix the grammatical errors, but unfortunately, most of the other points you mention are right. Funny how nothing was mentioned in the peer review or copy-edits, however. _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 19:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is just from a quick scan. Since the article passed GA only yesterday, I would gently suggest it be withdrawn, improved, and submitted for peer review again before bringing it to FAC. -Nasty Housecat (talk) 17:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The information about AIMS releasing surveys that people had a problem with (here) seems irrelevant, and indeed reads like an attempt to remove the credibility of an organization that ranked the school poorly. Ucucha 17:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I had a feeling this was going to be brought up. I was trying really hard to sound as neutral as possible, but I don't think that's really possible in this case, unfortunately.
"In fact, prior to construction, L'Odyssée and Le Mascaret had been in the minds of the province's educational sector since as early as December 20, 2002"—the sentence's meaning is unclear. Also, the reference states that money has been set aside for a French high school in Moncton, which hardly supports the article text.
- Clarified a little, tweaked it to match what the release stated. _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 19:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"A final $11.2 million was allocated on January 6, 2005, which was 23.3% of the $48 million budget for that fiscal year."—what budget?
- Clarified. _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 19:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Examples of notable courses are law, Esperanto, German, Auto mechanics, carpentry, entrepreneurship, world religions, cooperative education, and leadership."—what are "notable courses"?
- Unfortunately not able to source anything related to the courses rarely found in the region's area, which is what "notable courses" what meant to represent. _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 19:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I also agree with Nasty Housecat that the amount of space devoted to the schedule is excessive. Ucucha 17:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn - I'll stop you guys there. I was optimistic about the nomination, but I had a feeling many suggestions would arise which would ask for major cuts in the article, and would probably hinder its length (which in itself is probably something to look for in an FA). Unfortunately, I've tried very hard to find more information, but that hasn't happened so far. I thank you all for the suggestions, most of which will be taken into consideration to ameliorate the article and not be put to waste, but this one wasn't meant to be... at least, not yet. I'll be trying to perfect it as well as I can. Thanks again! _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 19:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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