William barclay

Renault Twingo

According to the Wikipedia conventions, the years in the section heading of a car's generation are describing the period of manufacture for worldwide marketing. For particular cases the infobox can display that productions continues in one specific country or another. I ask you to agree we use, in the Renault Twingo article, 1992–2007 for the section heading of the first generation and separate entries in the Production field of the infobox for countries where it has been produced after 2007. Please see also the discussion on this topic, in the talk page of the WikiProject Automobiles. Thanks, BaboneCar (talk) 12:15, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

As far as I see, there is no Wikipedia convention on this matter. But definitely there is in global economics. Stating this car has been produced till 2007 doesn´t show real production, and when you want to show, for instance, how many cars has been built (for historical purpose, i.e. to show the importance of this car) you can´t. Star/end dates must show that. It would be convenient to follow this concept because it is the one used for all manufactures. It can be shown dates for countries, but when we talk about "production" (as in titles) the dates show general production. Mr OSX statement (WikiProject Automobiles) shows the old concept and it is valid when the car is produced in one country (i.e. Aston Martin): today large and international car companies move their production lines at convenience. Citroen C4 sedan started in China, then it was manufactured in South America, and later sold in Europe (Spain) and Amarok (VW) started production in South America to be exported worldwide, and it is planned to be made in Germany in future. You can see the update I wrote about this matter in WikiProject Automobiles. I think that it would be better to follow new concepts because the old concept (country of origin production) is not following the current industry standard. So, I respect your point of view, but I´d like you consider this one.William Barclay (talk) 14:44, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

July 2016

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