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Just wanted to be the first person to write on your talk in December 24 more days!! :D — Status {talkcontribs 01:37, 1 December 2011 (UTC) (I don't get overly excited for the holidays or anything... xD) — Status {talkcontribs 01:40, 1 December 2011 (UTC) We don't have a Best Buy here, and Walmart sucks here. :( Well, Walmart mostly sucks because they recently downgraded their entire entertainment section, so it's really small now and useless. :( So depressing. But, yes. I need some $$$.... — Status {talkcontribs 01:49, 1 December 2011 (UTC) Is it bad there too? :( Looks as if I'll be buying everything on eBay now. Though, there is a Future Shop a town away. 60-inch TV?! DAMN. — Status {talkcontribs 01:55, 1 December 2011 (UTC) I was thinking it was just here because it's small, but I guess it isn't then. D: Tragic really. I don't know if your an avid CD/DVD buyer as I am, but it is quite depressing. I refuse to give in to this digital era. I wish I born decades earlier. Vinyls >>>>>>>>>>. — Status {talkcontribs 02:05, 1 December 2011 (UTC) I wouldn't say I hate it; I just don't believe in the purchase of things digitally. You can't feel it. I only buy get exclusives such as EPs, B-sides etc. that I can't get anywhere else on iTunes. Wish I could just go to the store and get the singles. :( If I at least lived in Germany or somewhere, I would be content. I've gotten a few singles on eBay; but they so damn expensive. Damn you iTunes! Soon I won't be able to buy albums anywhere. :( — Status {talkcontribs 02:11, 1 December 2011 (UTC) --GH200 (talk) 07:07, 11 December 2011 (UTC) Yall are right about this whole digital age. Sometimes it is just really crazy. Like i have to get a itunes gift card so i can buy four songs by Eminem cause they dont sell them in stores. (CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!) It's kind of wierd i'm so young and i'm hatin' the digital age. --GH200 (talk) 07:07, 11 December 2011 (UTC) Hippolyte Van Den Bosch really is dead He died today. Source is here. 83.84.17.246 (talk) 21:04, 1 December 2011 (UTC) That's better. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 21:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC) Bill Lamb Did he reply to your mail? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:15, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Lol what? I never sent him anything... —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:14, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Didn't you write that in Nikki's page? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:15, 3 December 2011 (UTC) No? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:18, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Lol. Then where did i see that? Anyway, haven't talked to you since long. How are you? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:22, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Have been a little under-the-weather with that GAN, but I think I'm okay now. My goodness, Malleus and Sp33dyphil are great copy editors. They have slayed me... —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:24, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Which GAN? Hey will you believe me if they did not do much? I am not lying. They barely replaced one word here and there. The former even said that you were a bit harsh on the prose. Hmmm, THR is very difficult to get along with. I am going to lose my patience soon. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:26, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Some of his points look reasonable. Not sure about his comprehensiveness queries though. To me, the development info looks like it's sufficient. You know which GAN. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:29, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Hmmm let me see your contributions. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:31, 3 December 2011 (UTC) This? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:33, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Let's not get into that. I fear other people will feel invited to join this conversation then. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:35, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Penguin, it is better you never do that again. Learn form it. I bet you do not want to experience that again, right? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:38, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Actually, I feel pretty confident about what I did. It's the reactions that frustrated me. Everyone has different outlooks on good article nominees, and people need to respect that. If the article had only prose issues, it wouldn't have been so bad. But there were sourcing issues and quotation usage issues as well. End of discussion. Surely Zach understood. No doubt the nominators worked hard on it, but honesty is key. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:42, 3 December 2011 (UTC) I bow to this , 'honesty is key'. Can you help me with what THR is asking about that Eye Weekly article? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:44, 3 December 2011 (UTC) I am reviewing an article right now. Once I put it on hold, I will have a look. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:46, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Okay. I will wait then. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:48, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Jivesh, I do not have a sweet clue what is going on. The author is indeed Katy Carraway. You are talking about this link right? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:47, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Yes... He is really making me mad now. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:37, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Sorry that I can't be of any help though. I wish I knew what this was all about. :( —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:46, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Thanks anyway. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 20:08, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Like a Prayer Thanks a dime. I do have some questions though which I will post in the PR page. Let's work together to make this a FA. — Legolas (talk2me) 17:28, 3 December 2011 (UTC) No problem. I look forward to the day I will support the FAC. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:50, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Listen to this masterpiece. Those lyrics, damn! You don't get such stuff nowadays anymore. She's back. — Legolas (talk2me) 17:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Lol, got 404 error. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:58, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Try this one, fast. Before they take it down. — Legolas (talk2me) 18:07, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Beautiful, simply beautiful. This better be a single, or I'll be mad. Reminds me of her old days. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:10, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Isn't it? I wasn't expecting anything close to it. "Masterpiece" is the official song from W.E. I think they are going to release it as a promo single and push for it for an Oscar nomination. However, its confirmed that the song will be available on M's 12th studio album. — Legolas (talk2me) 18:16, 3 December 2011 (UTC) This album better be good if she wants to stand a chance with BTW, 21 or even TTT (okay, she will probably beat the latter). But then again, Gaga and Adele will likely have new albums recorded by then. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:21, 3 December 2011 (UTC) TTT is not even under any consideration tbh. And somehow I have a gut feeling that Adele might fade away, if she doesn't drastically change herself. In my experience, her simplicity is what will kill her. Gaga, well I can never be sure about her. She continues to surprise me even after I have called her flopping a number of times. The thing which was previously missing with Madonna's 2000s albums was her hunger. I see that is back in her, from her interviews, appearances, etc. This gives me hope, although that demo of "Give Me All Your Love" disappointed me immensely. — Legolas (talk2me) 18:26, 3 December 2011 (UTC) You never know, Legolas. And yes, TTT sucks for the most part. Hard Candy was a pretty dry album, but it did have a few good tracks, like 4:00. I don't see this album being like LAV or LAP, but it will be pretty successful, I hope. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:30, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Yes, same thing here. This time its unpredictable. I have never been able to write off this woman, since the time I fell in love with her. I thought she was doomed for eternity after American Life, but then COADF came and she slayed me again. Lol, of all her wonderful songs, only "4 Minutes" is FA. Ooh the irony. — Legolas (talk2me) 18:34, 3 December 2011 (UTC) It won't be the only FA for long. ;-) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:38, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Touch wood on that. Both LAP and LAV song articles can be FAs with little polishing. They are most comprehensive I believe. — Legolas (talk2me) 18:41, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Too bad you gave up on "Give it 2 Me". I didn't think Musicnotes would be such an issue... —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:42, 3 December 2011 (UTC) (→) It would have failed anyways. The whole recording info was missing. And now it's kinda incomplete tbh in comparison to other Madonna songs. Even if you compare the recent most "Oh Father", to "Give It 2 Me", the latter appears non-comprehensive. I'm playing "Masterpiece" so many times already. But this is supposedly just a demo. Hey have you joined WP:MADONNA? — Legolas (talk2me) 18:54, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Done. ;) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:57, 3 December 2011 (UTC) "...as if two black people are kissing.." Oh God, did it come off as offensive? If it was, I'm sorry, it wasn't my intention. My point was that Madonna's face also appears dark making it look like that statement, and that is not what the video is discussing. And yeah, I do like "Masterpiece", you would understand if you yearn for a ballad from your fave and he/she hasn't given it in many years but ultimately gives. — Legolas (talk2me) 14:52, 4 December 2011 (UTC) Hehe, it didn't offend me. It's about time she did make music rather than opening gyms in Mexico. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 14:55, 4 December 2011 (UTC) I'm overtly critical of her though, you know. That's what I do, the artists or people that I like, I become critical of them. Lol, can you believe Michael Buble snatching the diva's wigs with his Christmas album? I actually like this one better than the others though. Nickelback was really disappointing and so was May J. Blige's. — Legolas (talk2me) 15:02, 4 December 2011 (UTC) Never liked Nickelback tbh. :/ Blige was not too bad, though I did expect more. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:04, 4 December 2011 (UTC) Captive Heart (song) I have fixed most of the issues you found and left comments. Best, Jonayo! Selena 4 ever 19:00, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Me... again Hey Ping, how are you? Can you make some c/e to "Rehab" now? Or maybe you are busy? — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 20:01, 4 December 2011 (UTC) I'll have a look at Efe's points sometime. :) Too many stuff to do... —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 20:07, 4 December 2011 (UTC) Yeah I know. I asked one copy-editor, who responded that will take a look for the weekend, but still that don't happened. Don't know what to do. I am afraid the FAC will be closed. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 20:10, 4 December 2011 (UTC) Can you give me the quote in the interview where you got the info "The session failed to yield a complete song." Ask Orane if needed. And what the heck does "extratemporaenously" mean? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 20:36, 4 December 2011 (UTC) Hey Penguin, about Jivesh comment, am I sure if the article is completed regarding covers and samples... I found this. Could I possibly use it somewhere in the article? — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 19:27, 12 December 2011 (UTC) Unreliable because the author (The Reviewer) is anonymous and does not have an "excellent" record. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:30, 12 December 2011 (UTC) And is this website reliable in some way? — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 19:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC) I would not even use that in a GA. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC) haha okay. I will try to find something more reliable. If that's possible ... — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 19:37, 12 December 2011 (UTC) Watch the Throne An editor insists on removing "Lift Off" as a single from Watch the Throne, using this explanation. Would you like to comment there? He continued reverting and removing, before I asked for page protection, and now there is a full protection pending a consensus. Dan56 (talk) 21:58, 4 December 2011 (UTC) A request Thank you for reviewing In the Dark :) Anyway, could you copy-edit Work (Ciara song) for me? I put up a request at WP:GOCE a few days ago, but I can't wait much longer since the GA review might fail. Pancake (talk) 19:26, 6 December 2011 (UTC) I'll get to it in a few minutes! :D —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:27, 6 December 2011 (UTC) Thank you so much. Pancake (talk) 14:21, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Peer review Hey there! Since you give comments on music-related articles that are listed at WP:PR, I was wondering if you could give some helpful comments to Wikipedia:Peer review/Selena Live!/archive1? Its been up there for almost a month! Thanks, Jonayo! Selena 4 ever 20:06, 6 December 2011 (UTC) I'll see when I have time. I have some copy editing to do right now. ;-) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 20:08, 6 December 2011 (UTC) I see :-) take your time, I'm in no rush. Best and happy holidays, Jonayo! Selena 4 ever 20:10, 6 December 2011 (UTC) Same to you! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 20:11, 6 December 2011 (UTC) Rehab (Rihanna song) You've made several useless edits every other day. The article has already gained GA, so if I were you, I would rather copyedit Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests articles, which are on-hold since September. As for "Careful how you word your edit summaries", what do you expect, a compliment for any trivial edit you make? You rather be careful with your silly threats. Uzerakount (talk) 20:57, 6 December 2011 (UTC) Cool story bro. Don't you tell me what to do; I don't have to join GOCE if I prefer not to. The article is at FAC, which is a totally different story than GA. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 21:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC) Well, you're not that cool, sis yrslf. Just for the case, you thought something else ,-) Cheers Uzerakount (talk) 21:17, 6 December 2011 (UTC) I love this gif so so much. Lol. And don't worry about that user above. A deluded soul, I know. — Legolas (talk2me) 02:46, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 03:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Lol, is the depressed one Gaga? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:16, 7 December 2011 (UTC) It seems so. I am sure this is going to happen. Penguin, is this cover notable? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:24, 7 December 2011 (UTC) From where is this? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:30, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Jivesh, honey, baby, jalebi, you wanna play the gif game again? Coz imma whoop uo yo ash like cruuuzy.. — Legolas (talk2me) 17:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Wait for me. Coming in two minutes. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Let's start... I'm feeling bored. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:02, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Jivesh, never say "Wait for me. Coming in two minutes." to an English person, it has an entirely different meaning! Calvin • Watch n' Learn 18:04, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Please explain. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:06, 7 December 2011 (UTC) "coming" has a double meaning in the UK. So when you said "Wait for me. Coming in two minutes." it made me laugh. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 18:15, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Anything related to sex? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:21, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Yes. Lol. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 18:22, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Lol, he didn't say "cumming in two minutes". -_- I will spectate your gif battle when you are ready! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:23, 7 December 2011 (UTC) I know! But when you say it/read it, people in the UK automatically think of that! Haha. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 18:24, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Lol. That's disgusting. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC) For the gif battle, Legolas has left. I think he thought this was going to happen to him. Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:28, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Ah, the wig snatch. Almost like the one he did to you. :D —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:33, 7 December 2011 (UTC) You saw it on his talk-page? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:39, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Yes. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:40, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:43, 7 December 2011 (UTC) The English language has a lot of double-entendres, you would be shocked at how many. You probably have never heard of Rhyming slang have you? Calvin • Watch n' Learn 18:59, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Jalebi, stop rehashing the same gifs and start fresh. Make an appointment with me and then let the battle begin! WP, you can be the referee. — Legolas (talk2me) 14:02, 8 December 2011 (UTC) Refereee, if you see another old gif, I will win this by default. Kapish?? — Legolas (talk2me) 14:03, 8 December 2011 (UTC) I am here. So we start? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:05, 8 December 2011 (UTC) Where the hell is Legolas, referee? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:11, 8 December 2011 (UTC) Why not? Is WP around here? Don't care if he's not here :P :P. — Legolas (talk2me) 14:12, 8 December 2011 (UTC) That's all? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC) Got back from school early. Kapish Legolas :). —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:26, 8 December 2011 (UTC) Barnstar from Glacialfox The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar This is for doing such an awesome job with vandals as I have noticed due to you getting to things before me xP Glacialfox (talk) 22:50, 8 December 2011 (UTC) Thank you so much. Vandal patrolling is a lot of fun! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 22:51, 8 December 2011 (UTC) It really is. You'd think by now people would get more creative with their vandalism though :P Glacialfox (talk) 22:57, 8 December 2011 (UTC) As you mentioned in the barnstar, it can get competitive too! :D —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 22:58, 8 December 2011 (UTC) I still always get a bit excited when I beat someone to reverting article blanking and stuff haha xD Glacialfox (talk) 23:02, 8 December 2011 (UTC) Lol same here. Happy editing! You are a very good editor considering you made your account only recently. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 23:04, 8 December 2011 (UTC) Re: Loud GAN I've just read the review. I had to leave it a while because, I'm not going to lie, I was quite annoyed. I disagree with several of your points. The lead is actually the same length as The Emancipation of Mimi. I don't do things to get things back, but I guess I was surprise and disappointed that you couldn't give the same level of review as I did for you here. Me and Tomica could have easily sorted the brief list of points on Loud within 7 days of being on hold between the pair of us. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 23:38, 8 December 2011 (UTC) It's frustrating I know. But prose was not the only issue in the article; there was a wide range of issues. EOM is different because it is in fact a longer article than Loud. 35 KB of prose vs 28 KB of prose. So it can have a bigger lead. To tell you the truth, I think the references alone would have taken seven days and the prose would have to be taken a good look through. GAN is not for that, it's for polishing the article up and addressing only a few minor issues. Remember "Wait Your Turn"? That was hell I will admit, and I was kind enough to look through it 3-4 times and have Jivesh look over it as well. If it makes you feel better, I will shy away from Rihanna GANs from now on. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 23:49, 8 December 2011 (UTC) Prose wasn't the only issue on LTWYL, but I didn't fail it because of it. You can't say that GAN is "not for that", because I notice you wasn't complaining during the LTWYL review, which going by your reasoning for Loud, was an undeniable fail. I have always tried to make sure I don't fail an article if I feel it can be turned around, and I think Loud could have. It only took me 2 minutes to go through the MTV sources just now and about the same again to remove the ellipsis'. Wait Your Turn was hell not because of you, but because of someone else who had issues. I'm not going to keep talking about, because what's done is done, but I was disappointed. And this isn't your fault nor did you know, but I was having a bad few days, and Loud being failed was the icing on the cake. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 00:02, 9 December 2011 (UTC) "Thanks for being extremely patient and constructive. Most reviewers would've probably failed the article." It's not like a nominator would ask the reviewer to fail his nomination. "Wait Your Turn" was underprepared in terms of comprehensiveness (composition, reception and music video sections were either non-existent or lacking), prose and refs. I don't do reviews in exchange; I give them them a proper assessment. I know you do not want to talk about this, but I feel that I had to give you my reply. This discussion is not helping. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 00:31, 9 December 2011 (UTC) That quote is my point exactly, that's what I do, I try to avoid having to fail articles which can be turned around in less than 7 days. I'm not say you should do them in exchange. Review what you want to review. To be honest, I don't think you gave Loud a proper assessment at all. I mean, I've actually done the things you said already since I posted here an hour ago, or at least the things which were a problem, like the refs and paragraphs. The singles section is fine, I mean, there are 8 songs to talk about, so that's about as short as it can get without not being descriptive. The article was c/e by the GOCE, so I doubt the prose is as bad as you say. If it is, then so are several of the Beyonce articles. Look, I don't want this to go any further or get between us. I was simply saying how I felt about it, okay? Let's forget about it now. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 00:42, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Again Beyonce Beyonce Beyonce. Lol. By the way, i have to say WYT was under-prepared, no doubt about that but Penguin ... i think you should have a look at the contribution of the one who had issues with the review to see what a great editor he is. (I am being sarcastic) Guys we should forget about this. Let's not argue and argue and argue... This will us to nowhere good. Cheers. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:17, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Conversing with Jivesh (lol) Lol at the tile. Thanks Penguin but i do not know how to do that. If you want,m you can do it. I have no problem with it. But is there something great about it? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Wow that's long and to tell you frankly i have more than enough with SL already. Maybe i will try that for "Schoolin' Life" as i will be free but the time i will start working on that. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:49, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Penguin (if i sounded too direct), i wish to state that I sincerely appreciate what you recommended m,e as i have never done it before. But you know, i prefer not to indulge in other things right now. For instance, I was writing "Rather Die Young" but finally told User:My love is love to take it on. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:05, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Thanks Penguin, you are amazing and i truly love you (as a little wiki-brother). Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:09, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Lol. I was sincere. I am sure that 'wiki-bro' term made you laugh. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:12, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Are you here? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:05, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Jivesh, I can't believe he's leaving!!! D: —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:05, 9 December 2011 (UTC) I will eat his mind till he decides to return but i knew that this would happen. Six months ago, he said that he will leave so that he can concentrate on his studies (on engineering) at the university (which i think starts soon there). Penguin, I need your help. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:07, 9 December 2011 (UTC) How may I help you? (wipes tears) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:09, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Well, my eyes too got teary but the tears did not roll down my cheeks. I cannot even tell you when was the last time i cried. Can you please copy-edit the composition? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:10, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Doing? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:21, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Done. Not much needed to be done. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:21, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Be frank... How does it read? Is it more comprehensive that it was before? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:23, 9 December 2011 (UTC) I love it. It is very in-depth and just what FAC needs. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Many reviewers had issues with this section and by chance i got four amazing sources yesterday after filtering 31 pages. Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:27, 9 December 2011 (UTC) See how helpful a Peer review would have been? It would save the article to have to suffer weeks at FAC. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:29, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Penguin, (without flattering you .. Lol), you have to bear in mind that not everyone is a fantastic reviewer as you. This article has had 3 and you see the amount of issues it contained. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:31, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Looking at your FAC, my biggest fear with talking LTWYL to FAC is that they will complain about its "over-comprehensiveness" and challenge anything they feel is unnecessary. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:33, 9 December 2011 (UTC) May i help out? Well, i am not among the best but i can still lend a helping hand. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:39, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Thanks. The only issue I am concerned about at the moment is the prose, which is extremely difficult to get to professional standards for both you and I. But always feel free to make copy edits when you feel that something is written incorrectly. I am actually trying to avoid adding more information because of how massive the article is already. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:44, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Sure... Like Beyonce says in "Why Don't You love Me", wanna check my credentials (list of the best copy-editors who are very friendly and always willing to help, most importantly, their one support vote can defy practically all oppose votes)? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:48, 9 December 2011 (UTC) (edit conflict) A bit like with Wait Your Turn, I think the Live performances section is far too big. 5 paragraphs? Do we really need to know that he earned £2 million at V? The music video section, as a whole, seems really big too. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 13:50, 9 December 2011 (UTC) @Jivesh - what do you mean? @Calvin - "Wait Your Turn" gave a detailed synopsis of the whole performance. LTWYL is different because it is critical analysis. Yes, the fact that Em earned 2 million pounds is notable when it is one of his highest grossing performances and it was discussed by several journalists. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:54, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Lol. I meant if you want, i can give you a list of copy-editors who are the best here. If you have their support a the FAC, no one can stop you then. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:57, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Jivesh, I think I already know who you are talking about. ;) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:59, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Lol, i said a list. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:01, 9 December 2011 (UTC) I can guess two. ;) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 14:05, 9 December 2011 (UTC) User:Lfstevens, User:Aircorn, User:Chaosdruid, User:Jezhotwells, User:Wehwalt, User:Brianboulton, User:Melicans, User:Malleus Fatuorum How many did you know? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:09, 9 December 2011 (UTC) I know all of them, but didn't know they were regular copy editors. Wehwalt and Brian have written over 50 FAs! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 14:21, 9 December 2011 (UTC) You know all of them? You just killed me. Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:18, 9 December 2011 (UTC) I am sad. I thought that this time, we would have a cyclone. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:19, 9 December 2011 (UTC) You know how windy it was last night here? A whole neighborhood lost their power!! Lucky we were not in that neighborhood. :) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 14:21, 9 December 2011 (UTC) You are lucky indeed. Hey what about this? During a performance at the BankAtlantic Center in Florida, Beyoncé halted the concert in the middle of this song. She then handed the microphone over to a male fan who announced: "Beyoncé, you told me if I like it, I need to put a ring on it." He then dropped to one knee, produced a ring and asked his stunned girlfriend to marry him, in front of the 20,000+ crowd. His girlfriend, seemingly shocked, nodded yes. Should it be added? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:29, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Haha, beautiful! "You put my love on top, finally!" It does not look very notable though. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 14:31, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Nice. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:29, 9 December 2011 (UTC) I learn. Actually I did just read the MOS before the edit to make sure. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:32, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Hmm, you are making all fixes in advance. I will have no other choice than to support your FAC. Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:04, 10 December 2011 (UTC) I actually thought Nikki had taken care of the references, so I only took a quick look at them before supporting. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:05, 10 December 2011 (UTC) What she does are only spotchecks. Lol. She will become bald if she does a checking of references one by one in all those articles. It's a very difficult task. I really admire her patience and he is so down-to-earth. By the way, i was talking about your FAC... LTWYL, not "Rehab". Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:13, 10 December 2011 (UTC) Lol, no she does not do spotchecks. Those are even harder - you have to make sure each and every source supports the information on the article and you have to check for copyright violations, etc. Lol, my FAC has time. I was planning for the holidays, but I will push it to some time in January or February. I'm also thinking of taking a wiki-break sometime soon. This site drives me insane sometimes. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:17, 10 December 2011 (UTC) Oh no. Please don't do that. I know i sound selfish while telling you this but look at what happened to Nathan. He has practically lost interest in editing. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:19, 10 December 2011 (UTC) Only a few days. Think about it; at the end of the day, we are all just volunteers sacrificing our time to improving this encyclopedia. I don't think it would hurt to take a few days off. I can take those hours and enjoy some Eminem and Beyoncé (those two do not go together :P)! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:24, 10 December 2011 (UTC) The B & E together thing is so true. Lol. I cannot imagine myself leaving these Beyonce articles at the mercy of those IPs. Even after i am married, i will be here. Lol. Penguin, do you think this is ready for FAC? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:26, 10 December 2011 (UTC) This is the part where I tell you "The lead is too damn long!". I strongly suggest a Peer review or two. Also, be careful of number formatting like "eighty-four beats". On the comprehensiveness side, it's not bad (for my standards). —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:30, 10 December 2011 (UTC) Thanks. For now, i am working on "Rather Die Young". See you later. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:36, 10 December 2011 (UTC) Help Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --GH200 (talk) 07:01, 11 December 2011 (UTC) Edit the page for the songs Underground and Yellow Brick Road by Eminem I'm going to show people they need a wiki page please help me.--GH200 (talk) 07:01, 11 December 2011 (UTC) LTWYL Is this image here a necessary inclusion? It is simply horrible. I mean, you can add another one which will not overlap with another section. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:37, 11 December 2011 (UTC) To be quite honest, I do not see why it is so bad. The image is one of the best ones from the LTWYL era and the overlap? Not an issue because the image is loosely related to both sections. IMO, it's tres belle. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:26, 11 December 2011 (UTC) Okay. I think we use different screen resolutions. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:57, 11 December 2011 (UTC) "Halo"'s lead is still one paragraph too long. Just to let you know. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:59, 11 December 2011 (UTC) How? I trimmed it today. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:09, 11 December 2011 (UTC) Supposed to be three paragraphs long max. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:10, 11 December 2011 (UTC) Why? How do you calculate it? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:11, 11 December 2011 (UTC) I have a script. See WP:PROSESIZE. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:13, 11 December 2011 (UTC) Okay. I will see how i can fix that without removing too much prose. I have already cut 1000 Kb in the past two hours. Hmm, i was listening to the song right now and it is so good. Have you ever seen its first live performance? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:15, 11 December 2011 (UTC) No, I haven't. I don't watch Beyoncé's live performances. I've only seen the "Love on Top" MTV performance and the Roseland performances. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:17, 11 December 2011 (UTC) If ever you are interested. I was surprised when it saw i had so many views. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:19, 11 December 2011 (UTC) She hasn't changed one bit. Maybe a baby bump, but that's it. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:21, 11 December 2011 (UTC) Will you believe me if i say she looked the same in 1998? Or you need something to watch? Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:24, 11 December 2011 (UTC) She did, next to Michelle and Kelly. Lol. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:25, 11 December 2011 (UTC) No, it was not with those two amazing girls. Lol. It was a video i did not even know existed until yesterday. This badly needs some paraphrasing and i think i am going to ask Orane to do it. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:27, 11 December 2011 (UTC) You'd think he'd be tired of doing that for you by now? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:29, 11 December 2011 (UTC) I don't get what you wrote... Did you mean i should ask someone else? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:31, 11 December 2011 (UTC) Try it yourself. I understand Wikipedia is collaborative, but give it a shot and if you are still desperate for help, then try asking someone else. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:33, 11 December 2011 (UTC) Okay. I will. By the way, why did you think Orane would be tired? I have asked him for help only twice. Lol. And he himself said that he will help me with "Halo" when i will take it to FAC. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:36, 11 December 2011 (UTC) Beware of this, it is an opinion. Better revert back. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:48, 11 December 2011 (UTC) Didn't revert. Instead, I re-worded. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:51, 11 December 2011 (UTC) That was really good. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:58, 11 December 2011 (UTC) Notable? Personally, i feel YES but you know the article is already huge... Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:20, 13 December 2011 (UTC) I guess it is notable. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:59, 13 December 2011 (UTC) Dude --GH200 (talk) 05:11, 12 December 2011 (UTC) Help me out Bagpipes from Baghdad needs a page. Help me out.--GH200 (talk) 05:11, 12 December 2011 (UTC) It does not need a page. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 10:54, 12 December 2011 (UTC) --GH200 (talk) 19:59, 17 December 2011 (UTC)Why not it's pretty popular and its contreversal just like Kim it has a page and berly has any info on it just like Bad Meets Evil if these page can have pages with the little info they have Bagpipes from Baghdad can too. Merry Christmas and Boxing Day and Happy New Year.--GH200 (talk) 19:59, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Marry the Night Stan, can you check the release history table to see why the rowspan is not working? I'm kinda baffled. — Legolas (talk2me) 18:06, 13 December 2011 (UTC) If you are trying to get the UK and US to both cover "a portion" of the The Remixes format, then I've tried as well and it is impossible or fucked up. Sorry! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:58, 13 December 2011 (UTC) HElLo Hey Penguin, I need your help with one reference from "Rehab". I added it from Google Books, it is actually reference number 32 - Vibe's Magazine... I want you to add issn=|volume= parameter if you can, you have done the same with Billboard's one in the article. Thanks — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 16:18, 14 December 2011 (UTC) This info is in the About this magazine page. Give it a shot yourself and if you still do not understand, I will help. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:39, 14 December 2011 (UTC) Thanks, I have done it. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 19:48, 14 December 2011 (UTC) No problem. :-) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 20:10, 14 December 2011 (UTC) hey I've just finished expanding Music of the Sun, would you mind giving it a once over and correcting anything that is wrong please before I nominate. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 21:22, 14 December 2011 (UTC) 4 yes, in the 4 (Beyoncé Knowles album) In the infobox, remove the December 12 date of Love On Top because it's false....it's not on Amazon UK nor iTunes UK....that date was just rumored, it was never confirmed....anyway, Love on top has yet to receive a separate digital or physical release...it was only sent for radio airplay in some countries....there is no secondary source to prove that it was digitally released on that date....so, remove the December 12 date from the infobox..... Also, in the header, it says: Preceding the album's release, lead single "Run the World (Girls)" was released for digital download worldwide on April 21, 2011. The single was rushed for release after an early demo leaked on April 18, 2011. "Best Thing I Never Had" was released on June 1, 2011, as the album's second single. "Countdown" was released as the third single in the US, it was sent to US mainstream and rhythmic radio on October 4, 2011, while "Party" was released as the album's third urban single in the US on October 24, 2011. "Love on Top" was released in the UK on December 12, 2011. Remove the "Love on Top was released in the UK on December 12, 2011" part per the same reason above, false date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.189.22.165 (talk) 18:54, 15 December 2011 (UTC) I think you should contact User talk:Jivesh boodhun, who will be of assistance. I do not edit Beyoncé articles all that often, and he is among the most devoted to the project. Thank you anyway and good luck. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:58, 15 December 2011 (UTC) Nevermind, he has dealt with the issue. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:00, 15 December 2011 (UTC) Aww what a nice sentence to read. Thanks Penguin. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:04, 15 December 2011 (UTC) I'm only honest Jivesh. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:05, 15 December 2011 (UTC) Lo. Why do you seem so serious these days? Anything wrong? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:07, 15 December 2011 (UTC) Serious? Sorry if my comment read like that. I meant to say that I meant what I said (:lol:) and it is not just flattery. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:10, 15 December 2011 (UTC) No, not only your comment. I mean you are not very regular these days. So that's why i wanted to know if it is because you have personal problems in RL? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:13, 15 December 2011 (UTC) Not in RL. Maybe here in Wikipedia, though. What have you observed in my behavior? I am interested to know. :-) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:15, 15 December 2011 (UTC) Your answers have become very brief. You are not editing much. I want the old Penguin. The one who was here a week ago. Is it still because of that GAN or because of me? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:20, 15 December 2011 (UTC) Ah, okay. That would be kinda both RL and WP. Wikipedia is so boring these days and I have only been active since May. And the fact that I feel I will never be satisfied with how LTWYL looks as a future FA does not help. Second, I have some school projects to do and they are a shit load of work. Sorry, it's just that. Not much to do with the GAN or you. You can just see my lack of motivation when you read my responses, such as "I guess it is notable." —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:24, 15 December 2011 (UTC) Talking about Motivation, you better listen and watch the video of "Work" by Kelly Rowland. You will have it back. Lol. And it is absolutely normal to feel how you do as you have worked too much on that article. Try to edit other articles. This is a sincere friendly advice. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:30, 15 December 2011 (UTC) It's worth a try. LOL. As for the advice, that is why I have recently been reverting vandalism at Recent changes. It is actually pretty intense trying to revert before someone else gets it. :D I've tried reviewing GANs, but that is so boring; reading through articles and references... —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:35, 15 December 2011 (UTC) Anyway whatever you decided, please don't leave forever. You are a loved and respected one here. I really appreciate you. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:40, 15 December 2011 (UTC) Thanks. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:41, 15 December 2011 (UTC) You are welcome little penguin. Lol. Take care. See you later. I have to go. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:44, 15 December 2011 (UTC) Babes, "Like a Prayer" is coming. And I will strangle you wif you leave now. Grrrr. — Legolas (talk2me) 06:16, 16 December 2011 (UTC) Me too. I don't understand why everyone is leaving one by one. Candy, Adabow, Nathan, Mags,... If ever you leave Legolas, I'm gonna catch the first flight to India and drag your ass in front of your computer to edit Wikipedia... Does not matter I have to tie with chains. Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:22, 16 December 2011 (UTC) Hell no. I'm not going to leave. Maybe once I get some school stuff out of the way, I'll be more active. I haven't even been here for that long you know. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 07:26, 16 December 2011 (UTC) Hmm, what does that last part of your message mean? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:42, 16 December 2011 (UTC) When I started editing in July 2008, I made some edits and lost interest. I'm not letting that happen again. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 07:51, 16 December 2011 (UTC) Better not. Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:55, 16 December 2011 (UTC) Reliable It actually contains some claims I could not find anywhere else.... Well, guess what? The story behind "If I Were a Boy" is absolutely scandalous. It also explains my question of why this single missed the Grammy deadline of Sept. 30, since it was ready to go at least three weeks ago. The answer: it was held up by endless legal wrangling since, in the long hallowed tradition of the music business. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 08:50, 16 December 2011 (UTC) It is reliable. Fox News is excellent. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 21:33, 16 December 2011 (UTC) I believe that part will go in the release section, right? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 04:30, 17 December 2011 (UTC) What about this? And this one says LOT consists of 17 key changes? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:09, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Slant is reliable, not sure about Pretty Much Amazing. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:27, 17 December 2011 (UTC) But 17 key changes? Isn't that too much? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:38, 17 December 2011 (UTC) I do not know much about music composition tbh. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:41, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Okay. Bye. See you later. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:46, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Online? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:22, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Yep. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:24, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Can you find a way to summarize the controversy of "If I Were a Boy" in its lead? Please. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:27, 17 December 2011 (UTC) I think what you have is sufficient. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:28, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Lol. There is nothing about the controversy at present in the lead. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:31, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Done. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:36, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Thanks. :) Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:37, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Anytime. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:38, 17 December 2011 (UTC) I have responded on my talk-page. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:52, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Help with two articles I need your help with two articles, first one is, Marry You, it was not released as a single. It's not in any country in iTunes nor Amazon and was not sent to radio anywhere. No sources to prove that it's a single. Yet, there is this user that keeps changing it to single, and failing to provide any sources that prove that it's a single. Second article is "Wet (Nicole Scherzinger song)", it was officially sent to radio in Australia and an official press release from the label confirms its a single, it also has a single cover and a music video, which makes it an official single, but this user keep changing it back to song. 72.189.22.165 (talk) 16:57, 17 December 2011 (UTC) "Marry You" was not a US single, but was released in Europe as per the Digital Spy source. You have to provide a source that proves that "Wet" is a single. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:11, 17 December 2011 (UTC) For Wet, here are the sources that prove it's a single: Source 1, Source 2, and Source 3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.189.22.165 (talk) 18:47, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Keep in mind that songs that are only released for Australian radio are not considered official singles. The stations have played non-singles before. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:49, 17 December 2011 (UTC) but look at the official press release in Source 3.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.189.22.165 (talk) 18:50, 17 December 2011 (UTC) I don't think that is a reliable source. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:55, 17 December 2011 (UTC) But the press release is taken directly form Scherzinger's official website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.189.22.165 (talk) 18:57, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Also, look, the official website of Interscope Records, Nicole's record label, clearly states that its a single. I have requested a second opinion from the user you conflicted with. He may understand better. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:01, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Neither songs were OFFICIALLY released as singles. No radio, digital, or CD single releases. The fact that her label said it was a single, doesn't mean a single thing. They said it BEFORE the scheduled release (Late August), and it most likely got canned (for whatever reason). Same with "Marry You". — Status {talkcontribs 19:03, 17 December 2011 (UTC) But Wet was officially sent to Australian radio on September 26 Source 1 And if Marry You is not a single, Then why did you allow that other user to change it to single? I will echo again that Australia radio adds are not necessarily singles. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:07, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Let's see what Status has to say first. Who allowed someone to change it as a single? I don't believe I've ever edited the article before in my life. Australian radio dates =/= single release. And besides, some users have been disputing the reliability of that website. — Status {talkcontribs 19:12, 17 December 2011 (UTC) If it is it is; I don't know how familiar you are with Brexx, but the editing style is just way too similar to his to be a coincidence. If it turns out to not be him than fine, but the fact that he removed a comment on my talk saying that he is probably a sockpuppet shows that he knows what a sockpuppet is. (His editing seems fairly new, so I don't know how he would know this unless he had an experience with it prior.) Also, the fact that he kept reverting it points to only one thing. — Status {talkcontribs 04:14, 18 December 2011 (UTC) Yeah, that was my plan. ;) I've already told Kww about it, so we'll see what he wants to do with it. Also, I was wondering if you could comment on my Good article reassessment for Thriller 25? — Status {talkcontribs 04:33, 18 December 2011 (UTC) LOL thanks. And I mean, let's face it, for a reissue of the best selling album in the world (well, to be exact, in the entire universe) it's pretty pathetic. — Status {talkcontribs 04:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC) GH200's group. --GH200 (talk) 19:49, 17 December 2011 (UTC)I will now opperate my group The Changers from my user page since someone deleted the group page. The talk page too. I just wanted you to know that just in case you still might want to join. And i found all my presents im getting for christmas im mostly getting Eminem cds two lady gaga cd and blue side park by mac miller and the diary of a wimpy kid book the sixth one she wouldnt let me have any of it until christmas. I cant wait. Changers forever!--GH200 (talk) 19:49, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Happy Holidays! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:51, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Cum on Everybody. --GH200 (talk) 20:33, 17 December 2011 (UTC) What do you think of the song Cum On Everybody by Eminem. Pretty cool right.--GH200 (talk) 20:33, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Haven't heard it before. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 20:39, 17 December 2011 (UTC) --GH200 (talk) 20:42, 17 December 2011 (UTC) What albums do you have by Eminem?--GH200 (talk) 20:42, 17 December 2011 (UTC) I don't buy albums really. I usually download the songs I like. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 20:56, 17 December 2011 (UTC) --GH200 (talk) 21:03, 17 December 2011 (UTC) What songs do you like? My favorite is Yellow Brick Road. What time zone are you in and what time of day do usually edit on wikipedia?--GH200 (talk) 21:03, 17 December 2011 (UTC) It's hard to pick a favorite. I don't like songs where he raps about non-sense (My Name Is and Without Me, etc.) My time zone is NDT. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 21:07, 17 December 2011 (UTC) --GH200 (talk) 21:14, 17 December 2011 (UTC)I dont know what NDT means could you just tell me what time it is over where you are right now im in central time its 3:16 over here in Shawnee, Oklahoma. And i like almost basically all of his songs including the crazy ones but one of the reasons i like Eminem is because he talks about him self and is real sometimes. I was just listening to Medicine Ball off of Relaspe. Its crazy. And we went to go see the trans siberian orchestra last saturday they were cool and the wernt Russian. Have you heard of them?--GH200 (talk) 21:14, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Read my profile. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 21:15, 17 December 2011 (UTC) My first... ... edit of the day goes to you. Sorry for not doing the c/e today. I was held back by things in real life. As you see, it is only now that I log in. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:24, 18 December 2011 (UTC) Welcome back! Check out the article now! Like it? I got hold of some great information. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:27, 18 December 2011 (UTC) It was already good... in fact very good and now it is even better. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC) See this is what pisses me off. Just when I think the article is finally complete, some magazine decides to publish an issue about LTWYL. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:48, 18 December 2011 (UTC) Lol. It happens. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:56, 18 December 2011 (UTC) See if this can help you add a few lines to composition. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 04:18, 19 December 2011 (UTC) Do you know about Trance music? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:37, 19 December 2011 (UTC) I have began reading the article. And from my first impression (yes first because I have never read the article in its entirety before), there are quite a number of things that are misplaced. What bout opening a PR where I can comment or create a (sub-)page on your user page where I can comment. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:44, 19 December 2011 (UTC) Use the article's talk page. Thanks for helping. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 10:41, 19 December 2011 (UTC) Starting. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:06, 19 December 2011 (UTC) Off to school in a few minutes. I'll see you in 7-8 eight hours. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:08, 19 December 2011 (UTC) Sure. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:19, 19 December 2011 (UTC) Hey buddy Right after Kww banned that IP for invading a block, he decided to make another account doing the same thing. it was then blocked soon after. Convinced? :P — Status {talkcontribs 17:36, 18 December 2011 (UTC) Lmfao – oh you. ;) Mind commenting on the delist now? — Status {talkcontribs 17:41, 18 December 2011 (UTC) OH. LOL. I didn't scroll down. xD Thanks. *reading now* — Status {talkcontribs 17:45, 18 December 2011 (UTC) D12 & Bad Meets Evil --GH200 (talk) 01:19, 20 December 2011 (UTC) You said you didnt like the non sense crazy songs by Eminem as far as I know thats all that D12 and Royce and Em' talk and rap about. And check out what I did to my User Page and talk page and comment on it. And I'm very disappointed in what happen to Bagpipes From Baghdad. Hell of a Christmas. A very sad Christmas but I'll get over it.--GH200 (talk) 01:19, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Follow-up on Jennifer Lopez filmography I would appreciate it if you were to look over the article one last time before I close the peer review. Thank you, — Status {talkcontribs 01:23, 20 December 2011 (UTC) (This message is being sent to everybody involved in the PR.) Drone attacks in Pakistan I removed an unreliable reference (http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/) and you reverted me and left an obscure warning on my talk page. Please tell me what is wrong. http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/ is in my opinion not a reliable source. Or is it? DesertBeetle (talk) 02:10, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Thank you for striking out the warning on my talk page. Could you also please revert your edit on the article page? Or is there anything else wrong with the changes i performed? DesertBeetle (talk) 02:27, 20 December 2011 (UTC) I was wrong in mistaking yuor edit for vandalism. However, removing an unreliable source does not help. You should replace it, or leave it. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 02:31, 20 December 2011 (UTC) I replaced the reference with the citation needed tag but did not remove the information. Leaving an unreliable source would give the wrong impression to the reader and this ref is completely unreliable. You also reverted two other edits where i added references to other claims. Something wrong with these edits? DesertBeetle (talk) 02:39, 20 December 2011 (UTC) No, {{citation needed}} does not help here. The information must be sourced. Your edits where you added the sources have been restored however. Thanks. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 02:47, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Hmmm, the unreliable source does not verify the claim. I do not have a source that verifies the claim. So shall i remove the claim? I personally think the Citation needed tag is helpful here as it alerts other editors who might be able to verify the claim. As i have just replaced a few citation needed tags with references. Are you sure that your way to deal with such situations is the right way and common practice on Wikipedia? DesertBeetle (talk) 02:57, 20 December 2011 (UTC) If it does not support the claim at all, then that's different. I have restored all your edits. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 03:00, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Thank you. DesertBeetle (talk) 03:03, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Bonzo the dog Dear Penguin, I have been trying to correct the entry on Bonzo the Dog, particularly the references to myself - Richard Fitzpatrick, where the site has the reference to Fitzgerald! Also, as the owner & author of the Bonzo the Dog website (www.bonzo.me.uk) from which most of this information has come, I feel I should be allowed to make the corrections to this entry. I have been collecting & studying Bonzo & G.E. Studdy for about 20 years now, so I feel I do know the correct facts on this subject! I am sorry if my edits have offended you, but please know that my intentions are for the good of Wikipedia!! Kind regards, Richard 24.162.247.82 (talk) 02:17, 20 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.162.247.82 (talk) 02:12, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Could you provide an edit summary next time please to explain your edits? Your edit appeared unconstructive for that reason. Anyway, I will revert my reverts. Thanks for the notification. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 02:19, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Can you tell me how I can provide the required edit summary please? This is the first time I had looked on Wikipedia about my subject & didn't know all the rules! I was just about to add more information than I have on my own site in the Social Impact bit, as at the moment it simply repeats the Merchandising bit, which itself has a few errors in it. I wish to cross referent with the Lupino Lane entry - how's best to do such? Thanks for your help. Richard 24.162.247.82 (talk) 02:24, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Above the "Save page" and "Preview" buttons, there is a small box and abov eit says "edit summary". Here, you must describe the edits you are making then click save. It's good practice. Sorry for the disruption and best of luck. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 02:27, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Okay, thanks. Are you able to put back the changes I'd made before you reverted to the original entry? It would save me a bunch of time redoing it all again! Cheers, Richard24.162.247.82 (talk) 02:29, 20 December 2011 (UTC) I believe I already have. Cheers, —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 02:31, 20 December 2011 (UTC) I've just refreshed my browser, & the only change I now see is one reference. All the Social bit has gone, as have the changes to the first section where there are errors about the Sketch & I had inserted info. about the Valentine postcards. I think you need to go back a couple more steps to get them back if that's possible. Cheers, Richard24.162.247.82 (talk) 02:36, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Done. How is it now? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 02:50, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Many thanks for getting it all back. I'll do a little more tweaking when I have time, & I'll remember to enter an explaination in the Edit Summary box this time! It's good to know Wikipedia is actively looked after by conscientious folk. Cheers, Richard.24.162.247.82 (talk) 17:32, 20 December 2011 (UTC) How... ... is the quality reduced? I asked the ones who usually upload the music samples but they don't know. Since you asked that in the FAC, can you do it? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:34, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Don't do it. It is excellent as it is. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 10:01, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Penguin... look at all the attempts of the editor. She really tried but she could not do it. It is already lowest quality. It can be lower... She did it but the sound quality was full of accentuation and unpleasant noises. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 10:46, 20 December 2011 (UTC) I struck through it. If it's not possible, I don't mind. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 10:52, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Do you know the editor who did it? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 10:55, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Read my reply at the FAC. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 10:59, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Lol, I meant do you know her personally? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:00, 20 December 2011 (UTC) No, not really. HeShe's a very good editor though. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:01, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Look at Legolas' talk-page. And actually, the editor is a 'she'. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:06, 20 December 2011 (UTC) What is a Buzz Lightyear? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:22, 20 December 2011 (UTC) A beer. What? That reviewer wrote some crap then. Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 15:51, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Oops, got it mixed up. It's the main Toy Story guy. (Buzz Lightyear) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:52, 20 December 2011 (UTC) How is that related to "Single Ladies"? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 15:56, 20 December 2011 (UTC) :P —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:58, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Hahahahahhaah. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 16:31, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Love the Way You Lie composition I have re-designed the Composition section of "Love the Way You Lie". The only problem I see for now is the last paragraph, which reads like a list of critics giving various analysis. I'm working on it. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:09, 20 December 2011 (UTC) I have seen it. I am currently looking for some lyrical analysis or whatever can help you. Will you be here in the next 30 mins. I may post something on your page. :) Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:16, 20 December 2011 (UTC) That third paragraph is really bad to read. You know FAC reviewers will surely complain on that. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:24, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:29, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Any suggestions on how the paragraph can be improved? I felt like that commentary needed to be added to make the section more neutral. It's not my fault everyone loves the song. ;) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:31, 20 December 2011 (UTC) From what I have learnt in the FAC of SL, limit attributions if possible. I will take a thorough look tomorrow. And I will continue to post on the article's talk-page as well. [1] [2] [3] You did not make maximum use of this as far as i see. A mixed review Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:33, 20 December 2011 (UTC) The only reason that site exists is to bitch and complain about songs that they consider are vulgar for children. It's not reliable anyway. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:37, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Thanks for the links! I made "maximum use" on the Time article and added the NPR one. The rest are already used in the article. The mixed review is of the live performance, not the song. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:58, 20 December 2011 (UTC) [4]. You are welcome. You will get more tomorrow. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:06, 20 December 2011 (UTC) *Insert link to gif here showing my embarassment after having made that typo* —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:08, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Here Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:14, 20 December 2011 (UTC) PERFECT! Maybe after the article passes FAC, we can have a party! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:17, 20 December 2011 (UTC) From where you go that gif? Yes for the party. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:18, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Yes, there will be lots of food at the party. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:22, 20 December 2011 (UTC) From where did you get those gifs? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:27, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Too bad because I ain't telling ya. :P —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:31, 20 December 2011 (UTC) I want to know. Be sure to have some music which will make me wanna move. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:34, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Alright, alright. I just search through Google images, lol. Simplest idea ever. You want to move do you? Well then. Move to this classic! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:12, 20 December 2011 (UTC) I love that classic. "4 in the Morning" shits on her entire discography. You are stealing all my gifs. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:16, 20 December 2011 (UTC) My favorite has to be "The Sweet Escape". :D —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 21:06, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Do I see some Gwen love here? Great taste you guys! — Status {talkcontribs 04:48, 21 December 2011 (UTC) Lol. I had already gone to bed. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:36, 21 December 2011 (UTC) Born This Way and Judas Can you try and see if you can reduce the WP:LEAD of "Born This Way" and "Judas" and make it along the lines of "The Edge of Glory"? It seems so huge. — Legolas (talk2me) 08:15, 21 December 2011 (UTC) I think BTW can stay four paragraphs, but I'll reduce the size of them anyway. I'll make "Judas" one para shorter. :) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 16:39, 21 December 2011 (UTC) Thank god. You are a real sweetheart did you know that? :D — Legolas (talk2me) 17:23, 21 December 2011 (UTC) Haha. I moved music video info to the third para and made sort of a "legacy" paragraph for the fourth one. :) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:25, 21 December 2011 (UTC) WP should only be a sweetheart Avi. Mind you both. I am the jalebi of Avi. :) Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:29, 21 December 2011 (UTC) My Sincere Wishes For This Festive Season ★*★*★*★*★*★*★*★* Merry Christmas And Happy New Year 2012 *★*★*★*★*★*★*★*★ I Wish You And Your Family A Merry Christmas And A Happy New Year 2012. May The New Year Bring Much Happiness, Prosperity, Peace, And Success In Your Life. I Am Very Happy To be Part of Wikipedia And To Have Great Friends Like You. Cheers. - From A Big Fan of ----> Jivesh1205 (Talk) 16:06, 21 December 2011 (UTC) Same to you! We need more thoughtful people like you on Wikipedia. :D "Single Ladies" FA will be the best gift you get this season! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 16:40, 21 December 2011 (UTC) Thanks a lot. And I pray for that. Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 16:45, 21 December 2011 (UTC) GH200's user page. Did you check out my user page? And did it make you laugh? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GH200 (talk • contribs) 01:42, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Slightly. I think you need to be a bit more creative. ;) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 01:44, 22 December 2011 (UTC) --GH200 (talk) 02:48, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Check it out now. I might get rid of some of the user boxes though and tell me if you think i have the most userboxes ever on a page. And I'll be post some of my sketches that I make on my Ipod on my user page and I was gonna ask you if I can put them on you user page or you could tell people about them on your page cause it seems like a lot of people comment on your page and talk to you so just let me know and when ever I get one up tell me what you thought about it.--GH200 (talk) 02:48, 22 December 2011 (UTC) {{Madonna songs}} Can you check what's wrong with the template that its not showing the last group (group 21) in the columsn? Appreciate the help beforehand. — Legolas (talk2me) Do you think there is a max number of groups you can make? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:10, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Nah, {{Navbox musical artist}} doesn't say anything like that. Total confusion. :S — Legolas (talk2me) 12:31, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Legolas, if there's anyone bad at templates and tables and all that crap, it's me. ;-) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:39, 22 December 2011 (UTC) I cannot... ... find anything more on LTWYL. I am posting on the talk-page in a few minutes. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:15, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Not surprised. Most critics don't care about rap music these days. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:21, 22 December 2011 (UTC) But you know that this one was huge. :D Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:27, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Too big... that Music video section looks ugly as hell. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:49, 22 December 2011 (UTC) I don't like Rihanna's make-up in it. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:52, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Lol what does that have to do with eh article? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:56, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Lol, I thought you were talking about the video. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:01, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Nahh, I love the video. But am I the only one who didn't like Rihanna with red hair? :P —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:06, 22 December 2011 (UTC) I don't like her red hair as well. And to tell you frankly, I don't have much of a liking for videos which have a story line. For instance, I hate the videos of "Irreplaceable", "Halo" (alternate version). Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:10, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Seeing how almost every new Gaga video is like a narrative, I'm guessing you don't like them either? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:13, 22 December 2011 (UTC) I don't like "Marry the Night" (video) but I bow to its message (in the video itself). I simply love TEOG. By the way, I am a fan of GaGa. Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:19, 22 December 2011 (UTC) I simply love "Down for Whatever". Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:22, 22 December 2011 (UTC) It's a nice video. I can tell you like simplistic videos because you liked TEOG. To me, it was a disappointment (no choreography, no awkward outfits, etc.) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:31, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Yes, I adore simple videos. :) T will be back later. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:36, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Me likes it, this conversation. If you guys ever wanna have a video blow ya mind, see this. — Legolas (talk2me) 15:16, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Shit, $5 million went into this video. One word: AMAZING! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:27, 22 December 2011 (UTC) I know, it still blows my mind how pristine and ethereal this video this and the technical brilliance is just amazing. That too in 1995. — Legolas (talk2me) 16:58, 22 December 2011 (UTC) She's the most original pop artist since... I don't know. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:03, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Pop timeline somehow begins with her in 1983, an era I like to call BC (Before Ciccone) and AC (After Ciccone). Lol, "Like a Prayer" is gonna get some heavy copy-edits from Moisejp. He's just fab in constructing brilliant sentences. It's like Tony's ghost resides in him. — Legolas (talk2me) 17:19, 22 December 2011 (UTC) The dedication of Bob Dylan articles just impresses me; have you read Blonde on Blonde? Speaking of which, when do you plan to take an album article to FAC? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:21, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Probably after "Like a Prayer", "Like a Virgin" and "Into the Groove" is FA. I'm not very sure about album articles. I would probably start with Madonna, then maybe Like a Prayer. Of course before that all the other MAdonna articles would be GA I hope by then. — Legolas (talk2me) 17:28, 22 December 2011 (UTC) I see. That would probably be sometime next summer then. LOL —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:31, 22 December 2011 (UTC) 5 million? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:06, 22 December 2011 (UTC) That's right. :P —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:15, 22 December 2011 (UTC) I have just been slayed. Biggest of all time? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:19, 22 December 2011 (UTC) One of them. MJ's "Scream" tops the list though. Food for thought... —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:24, 22 December 2011 (UTC) What? Even more expensive. How much? Please tell me. Come on. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:27, 22 December 2011 (UTC) List of most expensive music videos is your answer. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:32, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Your gif slayed me life. How come "Man Down" is there? That must be an error. Because ... Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:40, 22 December 2011 (UTC) That must have been an expensive gun. LOL —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:45, 22 December 2011 (UTC) No. No. I detect lies. I have to go. I will come back tomorrow. Take care. :)) Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:52, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Does this scream of photoshop? Although that cleavage... damn woman. And look at that bottle, looks like the bottle from which water is sprayed in church. Keep on creating the controversies girl. — Legolas (talk2me) 06:41, 23 December 2011 (UTC) controversies controversies controversies. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:49, 23 December 2011 (UTC) You didn't answer me. Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GH200 (talk • contribs) 04:05, 23 December 2011 (UTC) I Wanna Cry... ... This is a masterpiece. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 08:20, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Wow, just wow. — Legolas (talk2me) 11:35, 23 December 2011 (UTC) But it is fan made. *genuine weeps* Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:43, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Anyway, I have talked to my friend and he said that he is going to send her label a mail / contact her label by Twitter. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:45, 23 December 2011 (UTC) If it wasn't fan made, it would have been the first video in some time that she would have decided to spend some money on. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:04, 23 December 2011 (UTC) That's so true. I want a video ala "Single Ladies" for "Schoolin' Life". She better lay the golden egg quickly and get to shooting a few new videos. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:10, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Tbh, I've lost interest in anticipating her videos. Where's the excitement and suspense if she's releasing three videos in one month really? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:59, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Well, that because you are a fan not a stan. And so it is normal. She released three videos in one month only once. She is not doing it over and over again. Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 15:05, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Makes sense. :D —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:51, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Penguin. Would you mind if I do the composition of LTWYL in my style? You know how I write compositions? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 15:59, 23 December 2011 (UTC) I'm really fine with how it's laid out right now, but feel free to use a sandbox. :) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:57, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Okay. But where id this In the song, Eminem raps about a girl whom he loves despite not earning her respect. go? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 15:59, 23 December 2011 (UTC) I don't think that was sourced in the interview. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 16:01, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Okay. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 16:10, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Are you there already? Calvin • Watch n' Learn 18:14, 23 December 2011 (UTC) I'm at my uncle's in Miami. Going to Orlando in a few days. :) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:19, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Ah when did you get there? Calvin • Watch n' Learn 18:20, 23 December 2011 (UTC) My flight was some days ago. I'm coming home after xmas. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:23, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Ohh you're not there for long then? I'm staying about 30 seconds out of Disney lol. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 18:24, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Too much school work. I have my fingers crossed for a good 30 days in Orlando next summer though. My dad is wiling, but my mom not so much. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:27, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Lol. We did that the first we went when I was 7. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 18:32, 23 December 2011 (UTC) We haven't done it too often, but we're trying to make it a yearly thing lol. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:33, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Lol, every year my dad says we will go somewhere different, but he always books Florida. Haha. We do go to other places too though. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 18:36, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Went to Frankfurt, Germany and London, UK last Christmas. It wasn't too cold actually. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:37, 23 December 2011 (UTC) We drove around Germany in April, went to Dusseldorf and Munich, then Luxembourg on the way home. And are you kidding? England was covered in snow last December!! Went down to about -10 at one point! Calvin • Watch n' Learn 18:42, 23 December 2011 (UTC) We went to London in January. It wasn't that bad during that time. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:45, 23 December 2011 (UTC) There was some snow left in Jan. Where we parked our car at the airport there was like a 10ft tall mound of snow and it was still there two weeks later lol. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 18:48, 23 December 2011 (UTC) It was my first time in London outside the airport lol. Do you plan on going to Miami Beach? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:50, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Did you like it? Not sure, we have been there before though. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 18:58, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Loved it. I'd go back anytime... It's about a 5 hour drive from Orlando I believe. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:00, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Lol. Not sitting in a car for that long. We drove to the Grand Canyon from Las Vegas, it took 6 hours, we was there for 15 minutes, then drove for 6 hours back to Vegas. I was not happy. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 19:03, 23 December 2011 (UTC) We've driven for 12 hours straight once. Imagine. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:09, 23 December 2011 (UTC) We've driven from Denver to Orlando before without stopping. Now imagaine that! haha. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 19:23, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Funny; this summer, we flew from Denver to Orlando. LOL —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:24, 23 December 2011 (UTC) We would have flown from Vegas to Orlando but they gave our seats away :(. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 20:09, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Lol, my dad was on a business trip, so our tickets were free. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 20:37, 23 December 2011 (UTC) MSN Sorry to just come in. I was live on MSN and I got a message. Someone I added a few days ago. We talked a bit and he/she gave me a link to go to chat with him/her. Should I click on it? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:56, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Doesn't seem legit. :P —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:57, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Chat where? I'd say no. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 18:58, 23 December 2011 (UTC) MSN live. Guys I opened it but closed it immediately. I was tempted. I think it was a virus. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:02, 23 December 2011 (UTC) If it was a virus, your computer would have caught it right when you opened it. Lol. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:09, 23 December 2011 (UTC) That's re-assuring. I would have died without Wikipedia. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:10, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Dude, that was too much. This WP:NOTCENSORED thing can get out of hand lol. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:11, 23 December 2011 (UTC) What was wrong with the image? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:13, 23 December 2011 (UTC) I'd explain if I felt like it. lol —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:17, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Lol so much at that pic. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 19:21, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Lol am serious. Was it real a dirty picture? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:25, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Depends on your POV. :/ —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:27, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Oh, so it was that rump shaking. Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:30, 23 December 2011 (UTC) Yes, the tail-feathers. lol. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] Help Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And hurry please. GH2 (talk) 02:22, 24 December 2011 (UTC) I know you dont like the show but please help me out with Wikipedia:WikiProject Saturday Night Live page youll see what i mean when you get there. Thank you.GH2 (talk) 02:22, 24 December 2011 (UTC) Eric B. & Rakim discography Hello, Penguin. Recently I have put Eric B. & Rakim discography up for FLC, but only one single comment has been given in the 11 days. I noticed you supported 50 Cent's discography, and you have also editing other music articles. I was wondering, if you had time, could you comment on Eric B. & Rakim's discog. If you don't have time, I understand. Have a great holiday! —Michael Jester (talk · contribs) 07:38, 24 December 2011 (UTC) Of course. Your feedback on the 50 Cent discography was great! I left comments on your FLC. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 10:34, 24 December 2011 (UTC) My Heartfelt Thanks I express you my heartfelt thanks. ""Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)" has passed. I am very happy. Your feedback and kind words helped me considerably. Thanks again. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:15, 24 December 2011 (UTC) Jivesh I think my comments at the FAC were a lot less kind than they were helpful. Nevertheless, criticism is a key to success. ;-) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 14:58, 24 December 2011 (UTC) The kind words are the ones we exchanged on our talk-pages. Lol. I prefer to say nothing about the ones you left on the FAC because you remind me of Indopug. :P Jivesh1205 (Talk) 15:04, 24 December 2011 (UTC) Lol, feel free to critique LTWYL as you want. Be reasonable though. :D —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:09, 24 December 2011 (UTC) Oh I surely will. Lol. But I will be reasonable. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 15:11, 24 December 2011 (UTC) By the way, add {{subst:js|User:Dr_pda/prosesize.js}} to your scripts page. It helps you calculate the length of readable prose, which you will need to know to know how long of a lead you should write. Just follow WP:LEAD#Length. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:14, 24 December 2011 (UTC) Okay. I hate this kind of MESS. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 15:15, 24 December 2011 (UTC) Incubate or delete would be the way to go. In fact, by the time consensus is reached, it'd be so close to the release date, that it would simply be best to incubate and wait for the song to chart. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:18, 24 December 2011 (UTC) Merry Christmas and Happy New Year ! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year ! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! May you be surrounded by all the things that bring Christmas cheer. :D ! — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 20:43, 24 December 2011 (UTC) That's very nice of you Tomica. Is it Dec 25 where you live? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 20:48, 24 December 2011 (UTC) Actually no, I am in CET+1, its like 21:50, and is still 24 December :) ! I am an Orthodox Christian and our country together with Serbia and Russia is celebrating Christmas on the 7th of January by the old Julian calendar. However, its not problem for me I feel the atmosphere of Christmas already:). I think we will also change the calendar and celebrate Christmas on December 25 like whole world:) — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 20:51, 24 December 2011 (UTC) I see. I'm not even Christian but I still enjoy the holidays. :D —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 22:07, 24 December 2011 (UTC) Really?:) What's your religion, of course If you want to tell?:) — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 22:10, 24 December 2011 (UTC) I believe in God, that's all I'll tell you. ;-) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 22:12, 24 December 2011 (UTC) Good. I also believe in God. I love God. IMO, everyone should believe in God because he really exists in various forms. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 22:14, 24 December 2011 (UTC) Lol, you know how controversial it can be to say that in public these days? I respect all beliefs and ways of life: ) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 22:16, 24 December 2011 (UTC) The mysterious Penguin. :) Hehe... Yeah, sure, I also believe in him. I know he is around there watching us and giving tasks and helps in life. However, I think that it depends on which ground you are saying Penguin. For example in Macedonia you can spark controversies by saying you are atheist. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 22:19, 24 December 2011 (UTC) Hehe, I guess you're right. Anyway. I've gotta go eat dinner. Lol. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 22:22, 24 December 2011 (UTC) Go Ahead :). Bon Appetit ! — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 22:25, 24 December 2011 (UTC) Whaling Hi there (I'm always unsure about whether to call you Wikipedian, Penguin, or WP. Does it matter). When I get back in the active I'm planning on creating Whaling in Canada (currently a blank user page, but it will get there slowly). It will be an unusual change of pace for me, since I rarely make significant contributions to topics that aren't U2, but I've written a few essays on the subject recently and become interested in the topic. Anyways, to cut to the chase, I've got some good information that covers the Inuit (north), the Nuu-chah-nulth (west), and European whaling in Canadian waters (1500-1920s). What I'm missing is sources that talk about whaling on the east coast of Canada. Since you're from Newfoundland, I was wondering if you know of anything that discusses whaling on the east coast? I know it's a bit of a longshot, but I figured that since you're from the east and apparently a penguin, you might have some interest in the subject. Cheers, and Happy Christmas! Melicans (talk, contributions) 07:16, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Hello, Melicans. I hope you're doing good and Merry Christmas to you too! That is a very interesting topic you are doing there and a very controversial one too. It's also an interesting change in direction from your previous work with U2. I am sorry to disappoint you though; as someone who has only spent just over six years here in NL, I do not have any background information on Whaling. I spent a fair part of my life in Toronto, where whaling is non-existent. So technically, I'm not really from the east. Another problem may be that whaling was not very common near St. John's, NL, but more so in Labrador. I have not even finished high school yet so I don't know for sure. I am very sorry to be of no help. You can have a look at the heritage.nf.ca site, but I'm not sure on the WP:RS boundaries of Canadian history and culture. Désolé et joyeux noël. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:11, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Ah, that's no problem. I figured it'd be a bit of a longshot anyways (if you asked what I knew about the automotive industry here, I'd draw a blank for sure). Good to know that it was more prevalent around Labrador though; gives me another area to start searching on. Heritage.nf.ca should be fine on the RS front since it is a government run website. I don't think there will be any issues there at all if there's some info on there. (You're from Toronto originally? How funny; I spent half my life about 40 minutes away in Kitchener!) Melicans (talk, contributions) 21:20, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Well, good luck with your project. I am excited to read it once you're done. :) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] Hmm... have you spoken to User:MarcZimmer? He's a fellow student in St. John's. He might have information. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 22:18, 26 December 2011 (UTC) Season's Greetings May you have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year It's the festive time of the year, and I wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! If you do not celebrate Christmas, may it be a peaceful time for you, and may the New Year bring you new hopes and good luck. Season's Greetings --&レア (talk) 18:07, 22 December 2011 (UTC)|} Thank you so much, Theolagiae. It's very kind of you. I'm sorry I couldn't get to Born This Way after because other things and my own projects have been keeping me busy over the past few weeks. I might get back to it i January (hopefully). Have a Merry Christmas or Happy Holiday. Cheers! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:13, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Thank you, I'm sure we can work on Born This Way in due course. I see you speak French, donc, Joyeux Noël!--&レア (talk) 14:31, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Toi aussi. Merci et bonne vacances! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 14:42, 25 December 2011 (UTC) By the way, Theolagiae, do you think Born This Way could be expanded somewhat? It's really lacking on writing, production and recording info. It only says where sessions were held, but I think we can get into a bit more detail, like briefly describe the recording of "Hair" and "TEOG" and also "Marry the Night" and some other tracks. Maybe something along the lines of Folie à Deux or 21? What do you think? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:09, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Yes, I was thinking along the same lines. Whilst I feel confident writing composition/critical reception/influences-esque sections, I do not feel really as if I could write such a thing. Yet, if we can find someone who is willing to do so, it would be great. In my opinion, Born This Way could be GA in no time; all we need to do is format the refs, re-structure some parts and add the writing/production section. Aside that, it's well-referenced, full of information, relatively well-written (mind you, I haven't read it all, so I'm not completely sure), and balanced, so, if we can fix some minor issues, I think that reaching GA status shouldn't be such a hard task. Merci beaucoup et bon travail!--&レア (talk) 18:26, 25 December 2011 (UTC) I'll see what I can do this January, including some clean-up. Merci pour tes contributions. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:29, 25 December 2011 (UTC) DYKs Hello Penguin. Can you please explain me how to create a DYK, how to nominate an article for that thing or maybe give me a link of some page on Wikipedia explaining that process. Thank you. My love is love (talk) 11:43, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Hello, My love is love. DYK is hard to explain, but I'll try my best. Refer to WP:DYK on what's expected of a "Did you know?" T:DYK explains the whole nomination process and seein ghow you are new to this, you probably do not have to review another DYK in exchange yet. The fact (hook) has to be from an article that was created less than 5 days ago or must have been expanded fivefold (in terms of prose size) in the past 5 days. The fact must be neutral and directly cited in the article. Make it interesting and if you can, quirky! Go to the "How to post a new nomination section in T:DYK and follow the steps. You can have "ALT" hooks and the reviewers can choose which is best for the main page. I've only done one DYK so far, so it's hard to explain. But shouldn't be too worrying. Thank you and happy holidays, —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:19, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Ok. Thank you. It really doesn't matter where you post your messages. So I guess I can't make a DYK for "I Care" or "Sweet Dreams" as I expected because they weren't created five days ago nor expanded fivefold. But I'll try to do something for "Schoolin' Life" since it was created on December 22, 2011. Got to go now. I've been sitting on my computer for too long now. My love is love (talk) 12:38, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Take care! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:40, 25 December 2011 (UTC) I'm in America! I'm like, not far from you at all now lol. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 14:42, 25 December 2011 (UTC) It's so crowded here at this time of year! People go mad for the weather here in winter. And while you're here, enjoy this song! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 14:44, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Haha. So you are in Miami? Calvin • Watch n' Learn 15:01, 25 December 2011 (UTC) No, I left Miami. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:02, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Orlando now? Disney? Calvin • Watch n' Learn 15:03, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Disney's fun. For someone my age, you'd think I wouldn't even value an autograph from micky mouse that much. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:11, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Lol, so you are in Disney then? That's where I am haha. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 15:13, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Are you going to SeaWorld? It's simply awesome, especially the shows, fireworks and polar bears. Lol. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:16, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Why are you avoiding the question?! Lol. Yeah my dad wants to go there. He wants to do Busch Gardens again too. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 15:19, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Lol, no, we just came back from Disney. Wait, so you're going to Tampa now? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:21, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Looool so where are you now! Canada? No we are staying in Disney for the 2 weeks, we have a car so we will drive to wherever. It's never about getting on coaches, it takes literally hours more. Universal is about 30 minutes away from Disney, but by pre-organised coach it takes like 2 hours, picking other people up and that. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 15:23, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Lol, no. We'll hopefully be in Canada back for the Boxing Week sales. xD —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:27, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Lol why won't you say where you are?! Calvin • Watch n' Learn 15:29, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Florida. Happy? LOL. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:32, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Duhhhhhhh! Calvin • Watch n' Learn 15:32, 25 December 2011 (UTC) My uncle's coming over tonight. So excited! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:42, 25 December 2011 (UTC) We've got family who happen to be holidaying in Disney as well. They are down the road. Calvin • Watch n' Learn 15:44, 25 December 2011 (UTC) I've got two, one of which is busy. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:45, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Your thoughts? WP, what do you think of Bill Lamb of About.com? Its reliability etc. I find his composition analysis very good. For instance, this. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 16:00, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Bill Lamb is a very skilled writer. No doubt you can get past GA. But FAC? Hmmm... it depends. Nikki would object as About.com is generally a very unreliable source and FAC asks for high quality reliable sources. About.com has cited Wikipedia before, making things worse. Considering the author's background however, I personally wouldn't object to it, but FAC has high standards for sources, so good luck defending it from Nikki. In fact, I had this really nice Bill Lamb source, but removed it for FAC. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 16:11, 25 December 2011 (UTC) I think I will remove it then. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 16:14, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Is the writer implying that "Sweet Dreams" contains rock influences? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 16:45, 25 December 2011 (UTC) I'd say "elements", not "influences". —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 16:51, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Okay. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 16:58, 25 December 2011 (UTC) No. Really No. Lol. What have you been listening to lately? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:50, 25 December 2011 (UTC) A mix of Lady Gaga and Hell: The Sequel. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:51, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Lol. It's quite hard to believe. Do you like LTWYL a lot? I mean the way I love Beyonce? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:53, 25 December 2011 (UTC) It's good, but not on my Top 5 list of Eminem songs. It was just part of my project to bring every Recovery article to GA, but then I felt like bringing it to the next level, lol. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:57, 25 December 2011 (UTC) What's your all time favorite song? Mine is "Sweet Dreams". Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:03, 25 December 2011 (UTC) I've never had one to be honest. The problem with liking Lady Gaga is that everytime she releases a new song, it becomes my favorite of her. And Eminem? Well, I have a few favorites: [5] [6] [7] (minus Lil Wayne) and I guess my number one would be [8] —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:11, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Merry Christmas Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you and the family. Orane (talk) 17:12, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Same to you, Orane! Keep up the efforts on 21. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:15, 25 December 2011 (UTC) SL What do you think? Please correct if you see something wrong, or if you think it could be somehow improved. Thanks. My love is love (talk) 19:09, 25 December 2011 (UTC) Truth or Dare Can you check out where the hell the article fails NPOV? May be I'm turning old or I'm intoxicated by Stillhaskillerboobcleavage-donna's pic, but I can't see it! Maybe I should smell some Hydrangeas ya'know. — Legolas (talk2me) 16:40, 26 December 2011 (UTC) No, I think you're turning old. ;-) I'll have look once I get some ce on LTWYL out of the way. The article's a PITA. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 16:44, 26 December 2011 (UTC) I think some things need re-wording ("cherished"). Other than that, it looks good. Crisco's spotcheck looks problematic though. Make sure that's been dealt with. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 16:55, 26 December 2011 (UTC) I have no idea why that tool is returning sentences like that. It has been thoroughly changed now. *Confused* — Legolas (talk2me) 17:01, 26 December 2011 (UTC) Looks better now judging by the diffs. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:04, 26 December 2011 (UTC) Hydrangeadonna will kill me. — Legolas (talk2me) 17:08, 26 December 2011 (UTC) You won't believe me when I tell you I've heard some Gaga stans call Madonna "Flopdonna". —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:10, 26 December 2011 (UTC) I hate to admit it, but Gaga and Rihanna stans are some of the worst bunch out there. Previously it was the Mimi bunch but they have mellowed. On retrospect, if she doesn't deliver properly with this one, she will be relegated to that name only. It's time for her to take charge. — Legolas (talk2me) 17:15, 26 December 2011 (UTC) I think Britney stans are pretty bad too. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:28, 26 December 2011 (UTC) Did you know about Flopyoncé? Rihanna stans again. And you knoe what a B stan wrote then... Talk That That threes Ts but none is equivalent to Talent. Lol. Some stans are crazy. (Yo can put me in that basket). :P Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:56, 26 December 2011 (UTC) Dude, between Beyoncé and Rihanna, I would go on Beyoncé's side any day. She can sing [hell of a lot better] and I like her genre (nothing electronic about it). —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:03, 26 December 2011 (UTC) Penguin, I am so happy to read that. Wanna see a gif? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:09, 26 December 2011 (UTC) Better be SFW. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:10, 26 December 2011 (UTC) What is that? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:15, 26 December 2011 (UTC) "safe for work". Is it appropriate? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:21, 26 December 2011 (UTC) It's good. Lol. I need to go. Bye and take care. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:31, 26 December 2011 (UTC) Hey buddy How was your Christmas? :) — Status {talkcontribs 22:37, 26 December 2011 (UTC) "Sweet Dreams" release history What is wrong with this table? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:14, 27 December 2011 (UTC) Nothing. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:26, 27 December 2011 (UTC) Then why can't I merge the digital download for Germany and France? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:29, 27 December 2011 (UTC) I tried, but can't do it. I'm not good at tables. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:33, 27 December 2011 (UTC) Let it be. Thanks anyway. :) Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:40, 27 December 2011 (UTC) Fused particples Hi Penguin, You seem a little confused by these: "with a shot of Rihanna lying" is not a fused participle. There is good explanation here.[9] But I would not worry too much; often you can use them without anyone noticing. Best wishes. Graham Colm (talk) 16:26, 27 December 2011 (UTC) I see. Thank you for clarifying. Would "with Rihanna lying" however be a fused participle? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 16:42, 27 December 2011 (UTC) Yes, but as the meaning is clear, this is not a problem. To use the possessive would make the wording clumsy, "with Rihanna's lying". This is an untidy aspect of grammar. A lot depends on how frequently the participle is used as a gerund. The use of "with" in this context often indicates trouble ahead. Spot the subtle differences here, "I am fed up with him lying there" and "I am fed up with his lying there". The first means I am fed up with him, who just happens to be lying there. But the second means I am fed up with his choice of place to relax. So, the meaning might not be clear if a fused participle is intended. Interestingly, if we swap genders we have, "I am fed up with her lying there", which can't be fixed so easily. We would have to use "that woman" in the first meaning. Graham Colm (talk) 17:15, 27 December 2011 (UTC) Thank you so much. I have never considered using possessives in place of regular pronouns. I have often "fixed" such participle structures using relative pronouns (with Rihanna, who lies) or using "as" (as Rihanna lies). This has sounded awkward at times though. H. W. Fowler has always objected to fused participles and split infinitives, but I find them helpful for flow--unless in the "with (noun) (participle)" formation. Cheers. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:25, 27 December 2011 (UTC) Pffffff. What a relief!!! Lol. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:44, 27 December 2011 (UTC) Even Fowler mellowed in his old age. Actually, these phrases must be read in the context of the clause or sentence. There is nothing wrong here, "I was in bed with Rihanna lying next to me" (quite a nice thought in fact). Although some might prefer a comma, "I was in bed with Rihanna, lying next to me". Some pedants, who don't care about redundancy, might insist on "I was in bed with Rihanna, who was lying next to me". Never let anyone say English is a simple language. Best wishes. Graham. Graham Colm (talk) 17:53, 27 December 2011 (UTC) With the comma, it sounds as if "I" am the one who is "lying next to me". Hehe. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:00, 27 December 2011 (UTC) Love the Way You Lie Penguin... how are you today? I must ask you, why are so not satisfied and skeptical about how "Love the Way You Lie" looks. For me simply looks fantastic. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 21:56, 27 December 2011 (UTC) Hello. It's the prose. There are still so many awkward sentences. I am also trying to reduce some fancruft quotations. It really does have the information though, from the production and songwriting, to the collaborating, and to the recording and mixing. "Rehab" looks great. I love short articles; they are more interesting and easy to read through. However, "Rehab" also had the necessary information (Production and recording).—WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 22:07, 27 December 2011 (UTC) Well to be honest, comprehensiveness is a real real plus for the article. But, people are not always reading the big articles, because they are too lazy to do that. I am so glad that you like "Rehab". I would like to be bigger of course, but there is not other information and coverage like "Love the Way You Lie". I think that you gonna fix it, you just have to nominate it for copy-edit at GOCE. Also, the copy-editor is very important, sometimes they can ruin the article :S ! — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 22:37, 27 December 2011 (UTC) I'm thinking of doing that in January. It will most like ly take a few months before someone actually gets to copy-editing it. Jivesh is helping me with the the prose right now. And User:Melicans said he'd get to it in January as well. I'm excited, but nervous at the same time. It's overwhelming. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 22:54, 27 December 2011 (UTC) Don't get nervous, it will probably take some time to work on it first, since it's very big and comprehensive, but don't worry, the article has everything that one FA should posses: Storyline, good composition section, also critical, the video one is great ... All in all it passes at my side :) ! However, maybe the FAC process will be also longer, but count on me then and now. I can help you with references or maybe in some places prose also when the article is on FAC :). — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 23:00, 27 December 2011 (UTC) Thank you. I'm sure I will ask you for help some time. ;-) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 23:26, 27 December 2011 (UTC) Can you check on this, tell me what you think and give a rough c/e? Jivesh already did the same, but as I also respect you a lot when c/e is questioned, want you to look at it. — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 14:52, 28 December 2011 (UTC) I have a few other things to get to first, but I'll get to it when I can. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:07, 28 December 2011 (UTC) Penguin I need a find source favor. Can you look for Unfaithful video sources, cause I can't find a thing about it :S. Thanks — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 23:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC) I'll take a look. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 03:24, 30 December 2011 (UTC) Best Thing I Never Had Can you please c/e the first paragraph here? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:58, 28 December 2011 (UTC) Once I've ce-ed LTWYL. Thanks for the comments to you and Orane. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:59, 28 December 2011 (UTC) You are welcome. I will leave more. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:15, 28 December 2011 (UTC) Also please tell me how I am supposed to insert that ad-lib part here? Jivesh1205 (Talk) I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo happy. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:03, 28 December 2011 (UTC) I don't get it. :/ I'll do the copy-edit now and find a spot for that ad-lib. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:06, 28 December 2011 (UTC) A hurricane is going to pass over my country after 17 years. 17 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:09, 28 December 2011 (UTC) Hurricane Igor is about the closest we have ever gotten to destruction. :) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:18, 28 December 2011 (UTC) I am so excited but I also feel sad for homeless animals, excluding lizards. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:19, 28 December 2011 (UTC) I am a bit concerned about the Development section of the article, which discusses the same thing as Composition and there aren't many citations to the sentences. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:25, 28 December 2011 (UTC) Yes, I know but how can we summarize it in the development section, if possible in one line? Because, in the video, Knowles clearly says, "that's what the song is about". Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:29, 28 December 2011 (UTC) If you ask me, it's better off in the composition section. Development can focus on songwriting and recording. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:30, 28 December 2011 (UTC) But don't you think that development concerns the concept as well. Hmm did you watch the videos for a better understanding? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:34, 28 December 2011 (UTC) I watched it the day of its premiere. :-) You can do what I did for LTWYL and just describe the theme of the song instead of a paraphrasing of the song's lyrics. This section should not be about what she wrote, but why and how she wrote it. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:40, 28 December 2011 (UTC) Can you please try something there? I don't know what to write. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:45, 28 December 2011 (UTC) I'll see what I can do. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:49, 28 December 2011 (UTC) Better liner notes... Seeing as you're trying to improve LTWYL to a featured article, I figure that you'd probably appreciate some more detailed liner notes to compare with your digital booklet. This is as close to an exact transcription as I can get: 15. Love the Way You Lie (feat. Rihanna) (M. Mathers, A. Grant, H. Hafferman) Songs of Universal, Inc./Shroom Shady Music (BMI)/Universal Music Publishing/Universal Music-Z Songs/Hotel Bravo Music/M. Shop Publ. (BMI). Produced by: Alex da Kid for Wunderland Music, LLC. Recorded by: Mike Strange @ Effigy Studios & Marcos Tovar @ Sun Studios in Temple Bar. Assistant engineers: Joe Strange @ Effigy Studios & Spike Lindsey @ Sun Studios in Temple Bar. Mixed by: Eminem, Alex da Kid & Mike Strange @ Effigy Studios. Additional guitars by: J. Brow for Veers Music. Vocal production by: Makeba Riddick. * Rihanna appears courtesy of The Island Def Jam Music Group. (Who exactly is "J. Brow"? I thought they would have given his full name.) You probably know most of this already, but just in case you find it useful I'd thought you'd like it. I'm starting a liner notes collection on my user page soon, so you'll be able to use that if you wish. Happy editing! I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 14:43, 28 December 2011 (UTC) Ah, okay. I think I will be able to squeeze out some more information from these notes. I didn't know Spike Lindsey worked at Temple Bar. In other words, he engineered Rihanna's sessions. I'm not sure if we should list the publishing companies and J. Brow's and Alex' companies either. Thanks and congrats on the FL promotion. By the way, when you are starting the liner notes on your page, be sure to list a bibliography at the bottom to avoid plagiarism. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:07, 28 December 2011 (UTC) No problem - thanks for pointing that out. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 19:06, 28 December 2011 (UTC) I Wanted You Bad........ Lol. I want you to try to summarize the concept of the song in one line but please include the part Beyonce said that it is a song anyone can relate to. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:40, 29 December 2011 (UTC) I gave it a shot. There was a lot of redundant information being repeated, especially in the first sentence. I cut that down. You don't have to use the writers' birth names in the prose by the way. That's just for infoboxes and tables. As for the summary, turns out it was already in the sentence where Beyonce discusses how people relate to the song. I did some re-wording, so check it out. Comment here for queries. Feel free to copy-edit and paste into the article. I also renamed the section to something more specific. Thank you. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:21, 29 December 2011 (UTC) I will check this in a few minutes. ^^^ But I am about to drop dead. Read this and compare to this. *weeps* Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:27, 29 December 2011 (UTC) Dude, I could sue these guys for crap like this. I just realized they attributed to Wikipedia, lol. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:32, 29 December 2011 (UTC) Lol. I am so happy. That means Beyonce's label know what I wrote. They may not know it is me but at least, they know the article. And I should be the one thanking you for BTINH. :D My heartfelt thanks goes to you. :)) Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:36, 29 December 2011 (UTC) Congrats and thanks. Good luck with "Halo". Tomica asked me to take a look at "Unfaithful" and I may be able to help you out a bit. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:38, 29 December 2011 (UTC) Thanks a zillion times. Oh really, that's great. So please whenever possible copy-edit the covers section of "Halo". Sorry for my impatience. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:41, 29 December 2011 (UTC) Can it be used for FA? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:22, 30 December 2011 (UTC) Generally looks reliable. Other magazines and newspapers have cited it. I myself have used it and received no complains, so it's pretty good. The site does not appear to have any editorial information, which looks concerning. Other than that, it's great. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 14:36, 30 December 2011 (UTC) Thanks. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:59, 30 December 2011 (UTC) When I Grow Up (Pussycat Dolls song) Hey buddy, I was wondering if you could look at the above article for me and give me some suggestions on it. I am planning on taking it to GA soon, and I think that it almost ready for a nomination, but not quite. I was going to nominate it for a peer review before doing so, but I just don't really have the patience to wait that long for it. xD Also, seems like you forgot about JLO's filmography. Best, — Status {talkcontribs 01:16, 30 December 2011 (UTC) Okay, well, whenever you have time is good. Currently have about 20 bytes to go and it will be eligible for DYK. I think I can do it. (Maybe) Yes, it's a pretty amazing song. If only Nicole kept the PCD music to herself... she would finally have had that solo success. Anyways, yeah it was pretty good. How about yours? Where did you go? — Status {talkcontribs 01:25, 30 December 2011 (UTC) Is Cockiness (Love It) getting your approval now? Calvin • Watch n' Learn 04:23, 31 December 2011 (UTC) A change I just made Does this look good? I changed it as the source does not talk about theme or musical style... It only specifies kiss-off anthem, which is indeed true, judging from the lyrics. Is what I have written good? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:24, 31 December 2011 (UTC) Thanks. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:27, 31 December 2011 (UTC) What do you think of this? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:56, 31 December 2011 (UTC) It's a very reliable source. [10] [11] —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:58, 31 December 2011 (UTC) Okay. But after a second thought, I realize that it will add nothing new to the article. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:02, 31 December 2011 (UTC) What do you think? I wanted to bring attention to her part. Should I make it normal prose instead? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:12, 31 December 2011 (UTC) It looks so damn good. But are we allowed to cite lyrics in that way? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:20, 31 December 2011 (UTC) Inspired by this. Do you think I should do the same for Eminem's lyrics? I don't want to as they only have two or one lines each. And the hook is just special. Have a look at this [12]. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:23, 31 December 2011 (UTC) Avoid being "inspired". Lol. Well, I don't know for Eminem. To tell you frankly, I have seen no recent song article using that format. And I don't like how Wikipedia permits everything for song articles for Rolling Stones and The Beatles. Hey did you use that source? It is wonderful. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:30, 31 December 2011 (UTC) That's not true. I love the layout! It's awesome. The source is great. Do you think I'm ready to paste the sandbox in? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC) Lol... by recent, i meant a newly released song. Yes. She wants company. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:43, 31 December 2011 (UTC) Isn't she gorgeous? I would have loved to marry her if possible. :P Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:44, 31 December 2011 (UTC) She is. Legolas would probably strongly disagree, but Madonna needs to step off and let the queen take charge. Lol. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:56, 31 December 2011 (UTC) Lego loves B. Yes. The Queen=Beyonce? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:03, 31 December 2011 (UTC) Guys, please don't forget on her, my queen:) ! Adore how soft is in this commercial ! — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 14:21, 31 December 2011 (UTC) We didn't Tomica. I'd call her a princess, but she'd have competition with Gaga for that title. Lol. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 14:25, 31 December 2011 (UTC) Lol. I can't at her attitude. I prefer her wig. Hmmmmm. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:27, 31 December 2011 (UTC) LOL Jivesh, a Cardashian one xD ! I am definitely okay with princess. And, well If its in the beauty contest, Gaga is killed in the start, but in musical, well she can be a good concuretion :) !— Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 14:29, 31 December 2011 (UTC) I dunno Tomica. Have you seen her in the dance studio in the MTN clip? Gorgeous! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 14:32, 31 December 2011 (UTC) For me Gaga was only TOP in Poker Face and Paparazzi video, in other clips, sorry, but she fails at me :) ! — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 14:34, 31 December 2011 (UTC) Lol. I didn't like red head Rihanna, nor do I like her YDO blonde wig. :P —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 14:35, 31 December 2011 (UTC) At the beginning I also didn't like her red hair, especially on the North American leg of LGOET and in Love the Way You Lie, but it caught my heart in Only Girl, What's My Name, commercial gif that I posted and especially here. And I now missed it:(. I am not sure If I like her blonde wig, but I am pretty sure that this is her best hairstyle, she is an innocent heart here *-*! — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 14:39, 31 December 2011 (UTC) GaGa with no eccentric dress slays the beauty queens. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:41, 31 December 2011 (UTC) I think both of you and also Legolas have to see this. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMFAO ! xD !— Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 15:29, 31 December 2011 (UTC) Lol, what the hell is that? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:32, 31 December 2011 (UTC) Our divas in role of Power Rangers. I liked a lot that series when I was small. Have you watched them? — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 15:34, 31 December 2011 (UTC) No, I was more into Pokémon. And I would never consider a Kardashian a diva. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:36, 31 December 2011 (UTC) I also watched Pokemon and Digimon. Ohh great series I missed them. And where the heck do you see Cardashian on the pic?:D — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 15:39, 31 December 2011 (UTC) Lol, I thought I did. :P —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC) It's Beyonceee hahaha :D ! — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 15:42, 31 December 2011 (UTC)