User talk:The Eloquent Peasant/Archive 6

King Blood

Cheers to you for updating the information on Wikipedia about King Blood. The future needs to know what happened with him and his draconian sentencing. Solitary Confinement for life?? Insanity. Cheers from Vegas. Earl E. Smith (talk) 21:46, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Like my husband always says to tourists who stop in "Welcome to America!" and they laugh! But it's not funny! Cheers.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 23:57, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

@Earl E. Smith: you might enjoy a book by this lady. Liz Ham created Punk Girls and I don't know why she bothered to sell the book since all the pics in the book - she made available for free on her tumbler account. Check it out one day if you really like punk. :) The strangest thing happened ---> the spirit possessed me once to create her article.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 00:18, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

@Earl E. Smith: I like true crime but we want to stay on the right side of the law so we don't end up like Willie Bosket. I worked at a max prison for awhile - a sad but necessary fact of life. https://thisiscriminal.com/episode-86-willie-bosket/ --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 00:24, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

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Order of sections

Hello Eloquent,

Was doing some clean up of my Talk page when I found a section about the order of article sections related to Residencia Ermelindo Salazar (RES). I think your ordering there was great (See also - References - External links - Templates)! I plan to use it as a template for other articles. I would like to come up with an article that already includes even more of those sections, like Eduardo Neumann Gandia's:

• See also
• References
• Notes
• Further reading
• External links

At least the "See also - References - External links" ordering is in agreement with your scheme set at RES, but other articles, like José Ortiz de la Renta have the Notes before the References, is this correct?:

• See also
• Notes
• References
• Further reading

Others yet, like List of mayors of Ponce, Puerto Rico, have Footnotes in addition to Notes:

• See also
• Notes
• Footnotes
• References
• Further reading
• External links
• Templates

Any thoughts on how to go about this? Perhaps we can include it in the list of PR Proj Standards??

Also, Marine 69-71 Tony here wanted to include the {{PR portal}} to all articles' See also section and the List of Puerto Ricans to all PR bios. Maybe that ought to be in the Standards as well?

Thanks, Mercy11 (talk) 04:04, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

@Mercy11: When I went through the articles, I'm pretty sure I was checking that PR Portal was on all articles and that the List of Puerto Ricans was on all bios. When I have time I'll spot check a few. Regarding the order of sections there are guidelines here on WP:MOSLAYOUT. Something to look into to standardize things...--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 04:19, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Great! I think we have been pretty consistent with all of those, just wanted to add it to the Standards if everyone agreed. Mercy11 (talk) 05:17, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Capital in Speciesbox

Why are you replacing "Speciesbox" with "speciesbox"? The template is at {{Speciesbox}}. Yes, the lower-case works because the Wikimedia software automatically capitalizes the first word of an article title, but the capital "S" is correct. Peter coxhead (talk) 08:53, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry Peter. That was a mistake. (In a dumb move) I just assumed that it should be lowercase. I'll go back and fix them and thank you for letting me know. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 12:14, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

I don't think you need to change them back, just avoid making the change in future. Peter coxhead (talk) 15:25, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

@Peter coxhead:Oh. OK. If you ever need it done, let me know and I can 'cause I saved the list of articles that still say "speciesbox". Thanks.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 19:44, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

~ The Eloquent Peasant ~

Good point! ~mitch~ (talk) 12:28, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank youuuu! Finally, I thought I was alone, speaking to myself. Thank you.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 12:29, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Feliz Navidad

O.K., so maybe you don't believe in Santa, but I still want to wish you and your loved ones a "Happy Holidays" and all of the happiness in the world and the best new year ever. Your friend, Tony the Marine

• Merry Christmas in 100 languages

Reverted my edits

Hello. You reverted my edits on the University High School page and re-added outdated information and deleted important information. 16:51, 27 December 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.42.6.207 (talk)

Content added needs to be supported by independent, reliable source for verification when you add or change the content as per WP:PROVEIT guidelines.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 12:33, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Greetings

	~ Happy New Year ~
	~ Just thought I would let you know about an {cn} I noticed here ("In Puerto Rico") ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 09:37, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Un favorcito for the Latin music project

Hey there! Happy New Year! I was wondering if you'd be interested in doing short descriptions for our GA/FA Latin music articles on our accomplishments page whenever you have the time. Thanks! Erick (talk) 21:15, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

OKay.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 00:02, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Puerto Rico Medical Emergencies Corps

Hi, I noticed that you have worked on Puerto Rico Medical Emergencies Corps (and many other Puerto Rico articles). Do you have thoughts on what the best English name for the group should be? The page name is currently "Puerto Rico Medical Emergencies Corps" but the bold text name was "Puerto Rico Emergency Medical Bureau." I edited that to "Puerto Rico Emergency Medical Corps Bureau" to line up with the given Spanish name, although I'd possibly prefer "Bureau of the Puerto Rico Emergency Medical Corps." Do you know if there is a preferred English version of the name? Thanks, Tdslk (talk) 03:48, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for working on this. I don't know the preferred English name. I once emailed someone who worked at an agency to ask them what the English name was because I wanted to get it right. It was Puerto Rico Office for Socioeconomic and Community Development, a very long name in Spanish, and I didn't want to translate it myself. The word order in Spanish is different. So "un gato negro" a black cat - the adjective goes after the noun in Spanish. So "Medical Emergencies" (emergencias medicas) would be the correct order. In other words, I think Puerto Rico Medical Emergencies Corps is correct. A related "corps" is referenced in this news / press release and again the word "medical" is first (in English) ... See https://www.directrelief.org/2018/07/direct-relief-to-equip-puerto-ricos-medical-reserve-corps/ --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 12:26, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your response! Good point about the word order. "Emergency medical" makes the name align with the standard occupation name "emergency medical technician" (EMT), but I see how that doesn't fit as a translation of the Spanish name. How do you feel about moving the article to "Puerto Rico Medical Emergencies Corps Bureau"? Honestly, seeing that written out makes me want to go with "Bureau of the Puerto Rico Medical Emergencies Corps," because ending the name with three straight nouns feels clunky to me. But also, are the "corps" and the "bureau" different things, and, if so, which is the article about? Tdslk (talk) 19:19, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

YW. This article's name shouldn't include "bureau". It is a "cuerpo" = "Corps" as seen in linguee.es. The Corps. website is here: http://www.cempr.pr.gov/Pages/default.aspx The name is Spanish is "Negociado del Cuerpo de Emergencias Médicas de Puerto Rico" so I'm not sure what that is in English. I am inclined to think that "Negociado del Cuerpo" is "Corps" (Bureau = Mesa and Mesa is not part of the name in Spanish so I don't see why Bureau would be added to the article's / Corps's name. Their undated manual of operations excludes the "Negociado" part of their name http://www.cempr.pr.gov/Documents/MANUAL_DE_OPERACIONES_CEMPR_-_REVISION_OCT_2012.pdf so that instead of their name being NCEMPR (with the "negociado" part) is just CEMPR. (I'm moving this discussion to the article's page and invite you to continue responses over there)--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 11:50, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

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January 2020

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Francisco Varcarcel. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:54, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Note to self: The thread is here. Basically the article was deleted without notice and needs to be recreated. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 17:03, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

merging

Hey there, I wanted to merge that Anolis cristatellus cristatellus article with the better sourced species article, but got distracted... Didn't think it was going to be too controversial. The only other subspecies is a little known Virgin Islands endemic, well, see for yourself. I noted that the species was appearing double in lists under different common names (I prefer Latin, that alleviates such mistakes). One reason I got distracted was the picture -I think it may be misidentified, and actually another anole... Not 100% on that. Going to watch Star Trek now, will wait for response. Cheers, Leo Breman (talk) 22:33, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Cheers @Leo Breman:. I think merging is a good idea even I don't know much about the species / subspecies. BTW, I've observed them, here and there, do "push ups" at me, even I am much bigger. Enjoy your show. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 23:12, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, still trying to watch the show, got distracted again and decided I really needed to make some cookies, hehe. Those bloody cheeky Don Juan lizards with their seductive push-ups! More seriously, I think the picture may most likely be Anolis cybotes - I am also no expert and there are very many species, but the head is too big & the crests are on the wrong places for the Puerto Rican species. The description of the whitish stripe on the flanks of A. cybotes in Dutch Wikipedia fits this picture perfectly. It looks like in Dutch, German and French Wikipedias there are bigger Anolis experts out there than in English or Spanish. I will ask around... I will get rid of the dubious picture and get around to merging things later, glad you are okay with that. Now I have my warm cookies and Earl Grey it's back to Jean-Luc Picard! Friendly regards, Leo Breman (talk) 01:03, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

@Leo Breman: Now you made me want to make some warm cake for myself - with milk! --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 02:00, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Meat Puppets

Hi!

I see that you have contributed to the Meat Puppets wiki page.

It seems their band's web URL is not current on that page.

Just to share.

Paul Darling - Dryden, Ontario. pauldarling@gmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.5.84.8 (talk) 05:46, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Short description Observation

Hi Eloquent. In reference to this, I am not sure it makes sense as a short description. (Or perhaps I am missing something so I can understand how it would make sense). thx, Mercy11 (talk) 00:28, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Mercy11: thanks for your observation. At first glance the article didn't make much sense to me so I just put the "in Santurce, P.R.". I updated and it might make more sense to you now. I just noticed the article is in dire need of more references but they are hard to come by since most things about Hal Lasky seem to be behind paywalls or magazine issues that are difficult to find. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 02:24, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi and thanks! It just wasn't too clear to me if it was an art movement, a company, a style of pottery or something else. Reading on, it started to make more sense. Just asking. Thanks!! Mercy11 (talk) 02:47, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

It is not your job, nor any of the mods job to remove factual sourced information from wiki pages.

Just because something written about Carlos Correa (which is sourced) may or may not personally offend you does not mean it should not be available for users on Wikipedia to read and judge for themselves.

The job of wikipedia editors is to moderate content, not to stifle it.

Here is the sourced article if you have not viewed it: https://www.wsj.com/articles/astros-offer-no-apologies-for-winningnow-tarnished-2017-world-series-11581625542 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:4091:7210:19F4:EB36:49A:13E0 (talk) 16:26, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

What Carlos Correo, did or didn't do, or what his team did or didn't do doesn't personally offend me. I read the source you provided "winning now tarnished" by WSJ, but here is a source stating the opposite, "...title not tarnished" so your addition was not supported by all sources, i.e. source. If you would like to discuss this more, please add comments to Carlos Correa article talk page. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 17:25, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Also, did you intend to added "cheated" to the infoboxes of all the players involved in the scandal?--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 17:45, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

I reviewed articles of sports people who've made "mistakes" and their infoboxes may show "disqualified" when they were stripped of a title, as shown here: Tatyana Lebedeva. In terms of players involved in baseball scandals, I don't see any infobox with one-word summaries like "cheated" for example: Baseball sports person: Alan Wiggins ...--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 18:11, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

List short descriptions

Litigation involving the Wikimedia Foundation / Special:Diff/941795247

I'll admit to not knowing much about short descriptions, or our project's goal to replace those provided by Wikidata with local versions, but importing such a generic short description doesn't seem like an improvement. Is the rationale for these edits that it will save a future editor time from filling a template? It seems like you're just removing these articles from a maintenance queue with a blanket short description. Instead, leaving this to an editor who will write a more descriptive short desc might be better, no? –xeno^talk 20:25, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Additionally, aren't these better described as Wikipedia list articles, if we're going to be so brief? Special:Diff/941807537 –xeno^talk 20:27, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

I'll be honest, cause I usually am. I've been doing what I've seen done. Exactly, moving it from a queue version to an article with a short description since the goal is for each article to have a short description. Now, the reason why I think it's okay to simply call it a "Wikimedia list article" is because list article names are usually descriptive enough---> they don't need a descriptive short description because the title already is. Finally, most of the time, the information that it's in the wikidata is simply something I import using the short description helper tool. Someone on the short description project thought it was the correct thing to call all lists "Wikimedia list article". I never questioned it because it seemed rational to me, except for the point that you made-- which is 'why wikiMedia? and not wikiPedia?' the answer to that is I don't know. Maybe I'll look around to see why, who, when it was decided they are wikimedia list articles. Thanks for the question but I think it's okay to call them wikimedia list articles. I doubt it was a typo that's been placed on so many thousands of wikidata items, but one never knows. That would suck if it were a typo that was added into wikidata and that I and others then carried into wikipedia's short description.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 20:33, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

@Xeno: I'll read through this to see if your question has been answered somewhere.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 20:38, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

@Xeno: okay. I found something over here and I think you and others agree that it should not say "wikimedia list article". ... no decisions have been made about the wikipedia list articles NOT needing a short description, but that may happen... I wonder how many articles have a short description at this point. I think there is some important milestone, that may have a bearing on this issue, when 2 million articles are reached. I added a question to the thread and maybe will get some guidance. In the meantime, I'll hold off. Thanks.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 20:44, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into it. I’ll leave it in your hands, as I said: I know very little about this short desc stuff. –xeno^talk 23:07, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Continuing to add per Wikiiproject Short Description. You may read more about it here. Cheers! --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 13:32, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Great - is there a plan to replace "Wikimedia list article" with "Wikipedia list article"? Yikes, 13k results - is that accurate? –xeno^talk 13:38, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

As of yesterday's conversations "Wikipedia list article" is the preference. Thanks for the query. I may have time to go back and change those. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 14:29, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

I've notived a lot of these short (non) descriptions added recently toitems in my watchlist. It seems to run counter to "The short description will be the first point of contact for many readers, so it should be readily comprehensible." on the Information page for use of short descriptions. GraemeLeggett (talk) 08:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@GraemeLeggett: Sorry for my late response. See here. It's a conversation about wikipedia list articles' short descriptions.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 15:33, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

List articles?

How do you figure that Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets football is a list article? —C.Fred (talk) 01:37, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Excellent work

I want to thank you for your work here. How did you like my historic properties series? Tony the Marine (talk) 03:24, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Well you did a looot of work. When I saw all those pictures and details, I thought 'Tony really gets around the towns in Arizona!' You're definitely out there enjoying the state and I shared some of the articles with my daughter so she knows about the places in her neck of the woods. I hope you're doing well.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 03:27, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

@Marine 69-71: You're committed. And when I spend this many hours on Wikipedia I think I ought to be committed... LOL --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 03:29, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

@Marine 69-71: This was kind of beautiful: https://www.pbs.org/video/the-warrior-tradition-fkaz4h/?utm_source=whattowatchnews&utm_medium=email&utm_term=mainpromo1&utm_content=20191115&utm_campaign=warriortradition_2019 --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 11:17, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you for the link. @The Eloquent Peasant:, I want to share with you a documentary in which I participated. I am the Marine on the cover. https://www.pbs.org/video/stories-service-two-fronts-latinos-vietnam-veterans-return-home/ Tony the Marine (talk) 04:47, 14 March 2020 (UTC)