User talk:Soumyasch/archive 9

Windows Server 2008 Picture

Why did you delete my picture of Server 2008 with Internet Explorer 7 on it. you could of discussed this first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamieostrich (talk • contribs) 19:18, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Windows 7

[1][2][3] :-> Is a move pending? --soum ^talk 07:16, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. Didn't notice. :-( — Alex^(U|C|E) 07:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Lol at resurrecting a month old thread. Btw, what happenned with You-Know-Who? --soum ^talk 12:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Not much is happening... Things are moving very slowly. Two different cities for now. :-( — Alex^(U|C|E) 00:46, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

By the way, evil? LOL. Maybe... — Alex^(U|C|E) 03:21, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

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Template:Microsoft

Hi! I think you might want to have a look at Template:Microsoft as it has just been changed to a navbox and stuffed Template:MSNav. --Pikablu0530 09:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. :) --soum ^talk 15:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

MSNav template

Sorry, I'm lost. What is this, exactly? Is it expected that this template is actually to be used in articles? I'd think it far more common that individual MS navboxes were used. Chris Cunningham 09:28, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

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Sorry for my silly mistake

I'm newbie So I made this mistake Pedram.salehpoor 14:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

A request, again

Hi Alex, hope everything is fine. :) Sorry to bother you again, but can you please upload a screenshot of Windows Vista which shows a mix of real and virtual folders (preferably no files in view)? Your screenshots tend to be much better looking than mine (How do you manage to capture the shadows and transparencies without what is behind? :o). Thanks in advance, and see you around. :)--soum ^talk 10:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Waiting for your response. :D --soum ^talk 15:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Any update with the image? --soum ^talk 09:21, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for my lack of responsiveness, I'm a bit busy... I probably won't get around to making the screenshot until tomorrow, so I'll open up the secret. :-) Just use Kenny Kerr's Window Clippings and fool around with the settings to make the window backgrounds transparent. Good luck (if you get around to it before me, of course). — Alex Khristov 02:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for letting the secret out :P, I will play around with it now. But I think I will let you do the screenshot that will go live here. :D --soum ^talk 16:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Can you take a "draft" screenshot so that I know what you want the screenshot to look like? By the way, the blog link that you left on my talk page died... So I don't know about that article. — Alex Khristov 02:37, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Its OK, I can handle the screenshot. In fact, I am thinking of an alternate presentation in the article. Unfortunately, the sshot I visualized does not fit into the new format. I have to rethink the screenshot as well. May be this will be a chance to show off my window clippings skill. :p Sorry for bothering, though. About the blog link, it detailed Microsoft's plans for a Master Data Management offering. But it was not clear whether it will ship as a different product (or any inkling of the final name) or will the functionality be bundled into SharePoint. But it mentioned codenames of first two iterations (which the author collectively referred to as Microsoft MDM). So, I was at a loss whether to start the article under a temporary name of Microsoft MDM or the codenames. --soum ^talk 05:32, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

No worries, I'm available whenever I'm on Wikipedia... even though I keep trying to take a break. Oh well. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. — Alex Khristov 07:29, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Windows Media Player

Just because it was called "Media Player" instead of "windows media player" does NOT mean my addition was irrelevant or was incorrect. And no the name Windows Media Player was not introduced with Windows Me regardless of what you think as the name was infact introduced as early as Windows 98. And when I say Windows 98, I'm implying that the media player Included with the operating system infact title's the program as "Windows Media Player both in the application title and in the "about" section. I at this moment have not checked to see if this is so with the Media Player included with Windows 95 but I'd be more than happy to check. And finally, because there is no mention of simply "Media Player" on this page I feel my contributions were more than appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imzjustplayin (talk • contribs) 10:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

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I've updated all the MS templates to the generic navbox syntax. Time to update template:MSNav! Chris Cunningham 09:47, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Logical volume management article

It would really help if you could spare a minute to look into the Logical volume management article for any inaccuracies, especially the comparison table. Are the Logical Disk Manager entries accurate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xpclient (talk • contribs) 20:54, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

:-)

Just coincidence. And I did miss User Interface Privilege Isolation. Nice articles. Both. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.128.180.179 (talk) 12:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Www.ultimate-anonymity.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Www.ultimate-anonymity.com Www.ultimate-anonymity.com I've placed a "AFD" tag on this page. But the "only other author" of the page removed it without reaching consensus. Please provide a third opinion on it's talk page. Mugunth 06:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Fraternity Leadership Association deletion

Soumyasch, I see that you deleted Fraternity Leadership Association was deleted, and though I never saw it, I'm pretty confident that it deserved to be. I am trying to get a wiki-appropriate article together, and would appreciate it if you could drop whatever text was on the page into a sub-page of my userpage. That will give me a starting point. Thank you. —ScouterSig 19:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Since it was deleted, I figured that the article was minor. And the group doesn't even have its own website yet, but I'll try to prove notability, etc. before recreating it. Thank you for your help. —ScouterSig 18:25, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Windows XP Talk

I've posted a couple of comments on Windows XP talk page.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Windows_XP#Service_Pack_2_external_links... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Windows_XP#User_Interface

Need your views on this... (I've also invited Warren) Mugunth 18:08, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Microsoft Office 2007#Errors in Excel

10minnickm: thanks for the btw, was thinking about an older office version...i probably shoudn't edit stuff like that... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 10minnickm (talk • contribs) 18:27, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Delete request for Zunephone

I raised a delete request for this redirect. A consensus have been reached. Can u delete this page now?

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Mugunth 12:17, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Done. --soum ^talk 06:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Criticism of Windows Vista

Per WP:PROT, you shouldn't fully protect articles that you are actively editing, and per WP:ROLLBACK, you shouldn't use rollback in a content dispute. You may very well disagree with the user's edits, but you should discuss it with them, instead of locking a page which you expressed have an opinion over.Melsaran (talk) 16:41, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Idem Ditto for Windows Vista. I have reverted you. --Kim Bruning 23:54, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

If you have read my summary, it wasn't meant to prevent editing, but to get users to talk rather than revert. And what about Windows Vista? I do not remember protecting that! --soum ^talk 06:57, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

replied

I have replied to you on User_talk:Odd_Master --Kim Bruning 23:56, 14 October 2007 (UTC) .

Replied there. --soum ^talk 06:57, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Caesarean section / User:Mugunth Kumar

Left a reply here. — Dorftrottel⁠ 20:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Replied there itself. --soum ^talk 01:58, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Regarding merging 2 articles

I feel these 2 articles should be merged. Will you merge them since seem to have knowledge on the subject? :) Token (Windows NT architecture) and Access token —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xpclient (talk • contribs) 09:19, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I will take a look at them. :) --soum ^talk 01:56, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

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Mac OS X v10.5

Hey, Soum.  :-) Things are getting a little contentious over at this article... your participation & perspective would be most welcome. We should also turn our attention to Windows Server 2008 in the next couple of months and get it into better shape. -/- Warren 02:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

It's a fairly similar situation to what we dealt with last year on the Vista articles around criticism, quality of citations, and inline comparisons with other operating systems. This time it's a little different because we have a self-described security expert (which appears to really be the case) who's adding a lot of this information, often without citations at all, or the text doesn't match the given citations, or he's citing his own blog. I've been accused of being a Mac fanboy because I'm removing the text -- I'm sure you'll see the irony in that. :-) ... but there is some value to the content, it just need some work. -/- Warren 16:54, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

This showed up on my watchlist for some reason. Sorry to butt in, but in the interests of saving time: I'm the "self-described security expert". User:AlistairMcMillan straightened me out. I may not budge for "I have 10x as many edits as you", but I can read a consensus clearly. The self-cite, which I did to make a point, was spectacularly ill-considered given WP politics. I retain most of my concerns about overzealous sourcing requirements for self-evident facts, but I'm not going to edit war over them. --- tqbf 20:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I cam currently reading through the edit histories, and will repond later tonight. --soum ^talk 09:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I had been on the move for a few days, and could not respond. Has the situation been resolved or is my opinion still required? --soum ^talk 12:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Articles for:

Since you are doing a wonderful job of writing new articles for new MS stuff, may I humbly suggest you create the "Sync Framework" and "Windows Essential Business Server" articles, of course if you have time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xpclient (talk • contribs) 08:25, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I completed the Microsoft Search Server and the Microsoft Sync Framework article. I will be out of town for the next three days, and won't probably be able to log in. I will take a look after that. --soum ^talk 09:54, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

OMG! How do you create such comprehensive articles with diagrams and technical details so fast and yet so high quality? If you are so fast, then you can "touch" all MS articles to make them high quality! Your speed almost seems super-human! I just sent you that message casually few hours ago! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xpclient (talk • contribs) 12:57, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. :) Btw, the image was already there. :-P --soum ^talk 07:48, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

अरे भाई, कहाँ पर है? एक फुनवा तो घुमा? नम्बर है न तेरे पास? अखबार में ख़बर छपी देखी? — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 11:39, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Alizée image

I've requested permission from this guy to use one of his images in the article, hopefully he'll get back to me soon and license under the GFDL or CC. I was thinking that this image would probably be the best one to use in the article. What do you think? JACOPLANE • 2007-11-12 15:57

I actually uploaded the image to see what it would look like in the article, here's the deleted version. JACOPLANE • 2007-11-12 16:04

Wow, great find. Now we can remove the baldness from the article (hopefully). :)

But, the image looks a bit over exposed. Probably this one would look better when cropped and slightly retouched (red eye reduction et al). She is also in a more natural pose in this. The only caveat - the chick in the front is in focus, not her.

I wish she had looked up a bit more in this shot, technically the best of the lot. (This does not mean I am ruling it out :P). --soum ^talk 16:36, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I have done a bit of retouching on all the three shortlisted pics. Take your pick: First, Second and Third. :) --soum ^talk 06:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Btw, would it be possible to request permission for all three? Commons is always there. --soum ^talk 06:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

And this... How did I miss this yesterday? --soum ^talk 14:20, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I guess I still like the first image best, but let's decide when (hopefully soon) I get a response. BTW, you don't have to copy your replies to my talk page, I have your userpage on my watchlist and I do monitor it. Cheers, JACOPLANE • 2007-11-13 17:16

Yeah. Lets hope its soon. Anyways, I know you have my talk page watchlisted (I have yours too) but I still prefer people having the message bar. :-) --soum ^talk 07:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Help needed...

Hi, this user, User:Pyaremohan contribs, is adding warning messages to user pages without any reason... What should be done...? His edit counts are just 4, of which three edits are to warn me of vandalism twice (without any reason) and another person once... I suspect some sort of "sock puppetry" here... Is there a way to assure this? I've not seen any newbie using vandal warning templates this early...! Mugunth 12:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey there

Hi Soum. Good to hear from you.

Yes the lists I started are taking a while but I'll get there. I've only read two of those five pillars on how to make a great article as I hate reading instructions but I'll eventually read them. I'm picking stuff up gradually like the stuff you showed me, and people putting in 'metropolitan area|city name' which was handy so I do that now.

All in all things are going pretty good. Cheers. :)

Sarcastic Sid (talk) 18:06, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Template:Microsoft_APIs

Isn't MSRPC more appropriate in the "Component Model" category rather than the "Web" category? What do you think? :) Or rename it to include "Distributed computing" as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.128.147.177 (talk) 09:48, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

It isn't a part of COM either. I created a separate category for it. --soum ^talk 10:14, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Comments for Windows PowerShell

Hey Soum! Here's my thoughts on the revised PowerShell article....

- The lead needs a couple of additional references to cover some of the non-obvious & forward-looking statements like Microsoft's plans to incorporate PS as the back-end for future management tools. I know I've heard that before on one of the blogs or a Channel 9 interview, but it'd be good to link that up.

- Acronyms in the lead section... I try to avoid them whenever possible. :) I tend to approach it like this: If a term is only used once, I use the full expansion ("command-line interface") with a wikilink to the article, but I don't define the acronym (CLI). If a term is used twice, I'll use the full expansion. If it's used more than twice, then I'll put the aconym in brackets and use that. We're tech people, so yeah, it's easy to get caught up in the alphabet soup we all seem to love so much, but it's good to avoid it in the lead section to make it easier for people who are very new to the subject.

- I feel like the examples would really help make the text more understandable if they were integrated with the text, instead of (or inaddition to) being in their own section at the bottom.

- Using the full citation format would be good... yeah, boring work I know. :)

- The part in the Background section talking about cscript's deficiencies will need a citation so that readers interested in understanding why cscript has been a problem can get further information on that topic.

- There's still too many external links. It's a useful list, but surely there's a web site out there that can cover this better than us, and we could link to them instead?

The article is pretty good and is definitely informative and covers the important stuff. Hope these comments are of some help. :) -/- Warren 16:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

1. Yep, a ref is certainly needed. But it is hard to dig up links when needed. :( I will keep searching.

1. Even I try to avoid acronyms, but its hard to overlook such basic ones. :-P

1. As for the examples, its an excellent suggestion. An examples sections looks out-of-context. I will try reducing the number of samples (and overlap between the functionality they demonstrate) and integrate. But my fingers are too tired now. :-P

1. I know I should provide full citations, but I feel too lazy. May be I would write some AWB plugin to automate it.

1. The background section was more or less copied from the previous version of the article. The lack of citations is due to inheritance. :D I will try to find some links though. (I myself am in doubt about some claims, especially pertaining to lack of documentation).

1. I tried hacking at the list, but there are still too many.

Thanks for the thorough review, though. I am planning significant overhaul of Microsoft SQL Server, Microsoft Visual Studio, Language Integrated Query and HDi Interactive Format (the last one should have a better dab, any suggestions?), to be completed within a week. I would appreciate their reviews too. :D

Anyways, hope you are great. We are talking after a long time (even though we see each other at work almost everyday)!!! Cya around. --soum ^talk 17:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you, Soumyasch, for the compliment and encouragement you gave me on my talk page, and especially for the idea of changing my username. I didn't realize it would be a good idea, or that I could do it. Since my mnemonic for "021317" is "Oh, to unfree one's heaven!", I've decided to ask for "Unfree".

(At the top of your talk page, you mention "the project", but not which one it is; I'm sure I'll find out soon!)

I assume, by the name of the places you mention, that you're in India, a long way from my home in Miami, Florida, U.S.A. I've always been fascinated by and fond of India. In 1972, I went there, as one "premi," among thousands, of Guru Maharaj-ji, to celebrate his 13th birthday anniversary. It was a huge celebration. Five "jumbo jets" (Boeing 747s) were chartered just to carry visitors from the US, and several more for other countries. By chance, I was on one of the earliest planes to arrive and the last to leave, so I spent about six weeks there, including two or three in New Delhi and the rest in and around Hardiwar. It was marvelous, despite the poor sanitation at the guru's ashram, which made lots of people sick for a while with dysentery. I became a volunteer amateur pharmacist specializing in one pill, Metronidazole, which, needless to say, was (temporarily) my favorite drug.  ;-)

In New Delhi, we stayed in an ashram in the Punjabi Bagh neighborhood. I witnessed an amazing wedding, and had a delightful breakfast in the home of some nice people I met outside the ashram. We woke every morning to the crowing of roosters and Islamic calls to prayer. I thought it was wonderful, how so many diverse religions, languages, cultures, and personalities there were, all jumbled together in the big city!

Later, people asked me whether I found India's poverty depressing; I found it moving, a bit overwhelming, but also inspiring. I found poverty oppressive in other countries, such as Mexico and Morocco, where I couldn't stop thinking "Why don't the government or the people do something about this?", but in India, it seemed ancient, solid, and permanent, yet softened by immense compassion everywhere. I found no resentment of the poor, and much personal daily charity. It made me love philanthropy and inclined me to goodness and goodwill.

A maharaja once proposed to my mother, and I've often wished she'd married him, but he was already married to one woman. I forget his name at the moment, but his son is Narendra Singh of Sarila, whom I met a few times in New York and once at his embassy in Madrid, and who has written a book called _In the Shadow of the Great Game_ (I think), in which he says he was the aide-de-camp of Lord Mountbatten at the time when the British wanted to partition India, but for appearance's sake, wanted Jinnah to claim it as his idea. I haven't read the book, but I did see his letter to the _Times of India_, which stirred up a storm of controversy, having revealed important political secrets kept for sixty years. He was the ambassador to Spain, France, Switzerland, and perhaps other countries, and retired as the CEO of Nestle's of India to become its chairman emeritus, if I recall correctly. I've often wondered what his palace is like. When I was in New Delhi, I went to the office of some cartographic agency to find Sarila, but they told me it didn't exist, and I believed them. Oh, well. It was so long ago!

I'm delighted to hear that India is prospering these days, and always saddened to hear any bad news about it.

I majored in math in college, but despite getting straight A's in calculus and analytic geometry, I never felt I quite grasped it. I repeated it at another college one summer and got A's again, but still felt lost. I never did finish differential equations; I dropped out.

In 1971, I read in a newspaper that 30,000 jobs would arise in the new field of computer programming, so I went to school for that, but it's a long story. After a year and a half, I gave up (despite excelling at school) and decided to study piano technology (including piano tuning) instead, a wise decision at the time. I found out that New Delhi had only one piano tuner for every million people, but I decided not to stay. What if I had?, I wonder. Unfree 17:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I should have realized this page is read by newcomers as well, so should have explained it properly. Anyways, "the project" refers to the entire wikipedia. Here, various informal (and topical) projects (called WikiProjects) are active which aim to bring articles related to the topic under its banner. The WikiProject then becomes the main (but not the sole) maintainer of the article. In WikiProject speak, the "project" (with quotes) refer to the mother of all WikiProjects - Wikipedia itself.

Your account of your visit is most entertaining and not to say, informative as anything. I didn't know some things myself. I have currently completed my graduation, and am preparing for higher studies. I am in talks with profs at MIT, lets hope everything falls into place. Anyways, see you around. It was nice meeting you. --soum ^talk 14:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

My RFA.

I've gone past 2000 edits, so do you think I'm ready to do a RFA again? (please respond to my talk page) --Chetblong^{talk to me} 04:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Here is my answers to your questions:

1. What sysop chores do you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Wikipedia backlog and Category:Administrative backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list. I would like to help out with everything, but I don't think I would do a lot in WP:PROD though.

2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any with which you are particularly pleased, and why? Well I've only created one article, and I think it needs to be expanded. I revert a lot of vandalism and once in a while I try to welcome new users, and recently I've started to tag articles for issues like the article not having any references, I'm also trying to help categorize articles.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future? I was in a conflict about Criticism of Windows Vista because I thought it was against WP:NPOV, but I understand why they have the article now. If I ended up getting in a conflict again I would ask fellow editors what they think about the situation and then try to reason with the editor I was in a conflict with.

My response to the CSD test:

• Halo 3 trailier - I would delete it per CSD A1, because it's one sentence that doesn't explain anything about the Halo 3 trailer itself.

• Union Milllwright - I would delete it per CSD A3, because it only consists of links elsewhere.

• Webs - I would delete it either per CSD G3 or CSD G11, I'm not sure which one fits this best because it sounds like vandalism, and an advertisement for the "webs team".

• Neil Haverton Smith - I would delete it per CSD A7, because the article doesn't say anything that makes him noteworthy, and I did a Live Search and nothing mentioned his name.

• Fall Out Boy - I would keep it, because it is a notable band. But the article could go into more detail about the subject.

• Nathaniel Bar-Jonah - I would keep it, because he was a convicted criminal but I would change the article from:

He was convicted in Dec 2002 of murding a neighborgood child. He made hamburger patties out of his child victim's meat, then invited his mother and neighbors over for a barbecue. Everyone agreed that the hamburgers "We're the best we ever had!"

To:

Nathaniel Bar-Jonah is a convicted child predator that is serving a 130 year prison sentence after repeatedly molesting, torturing, and attempting to murder children. He was also suspected of murdering a child then disposing of the body through cannibalistic ways, but those charges were dropped after the boy's mother said she did not believe Bar-Jonah had killed her son.

Hope to hear what you think, -- Chetblong^{talk to me} 04:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

The answers are pretty good. But could do with some improvements. For example, the sysop chores answer, you did not pin point any area of interest. While that is good in some sense, admin responsibilities are too vast for one admin to be active in all. That way, it does give a sense that you want the buttons because of the power it gives, and not the responsibility it brings with. As for CSD, if the article mentions any claim to fame for the subject, it passes CSD. Verifying the suitability of the claim is not the job of CSD. So, if the article says some band is notable because it made the first release in year 200x, it passes CSD even if it turns up no web search hits. Do not delete such articles on CSD; rather prod or AFD it. Conversely, it is humanely impossible for admins to fix all salvageable articles. If you think it deserves a chance, but don't have the time to fix it yourself, delete it but make a note of what needs to be done in the deletion summary.

These are general tips. I havent gone through the CSD answers. (I am in a hurry right now). Will be back with an analysis soon. But, in general, they are satisfactory enough. --soum ^talk 11:32, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that advice. --Chetblong^Talk_Sign 01:46, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I went throught the CSD questions. Your decisions are pretty much spot on. Now just wait for 3 to 3.5K edits. I will nominate you then. --soum ^talk 05:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! --Chetblong^Talk_Sign 02:08, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Amazing

Hey all your "rewritten" articles are fantastic and high-quality - PowerShell, SQL Server. You are perhaps the most quality contributor to Microsoft/Windows related articles. Do you know anyone else? I checked out the WikiProject Windows group but unfortunately, most people registered there don't seem to contribute at all. I'm most excited about the Visual Studio article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.128.180.161 (talk) 17:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank You very much. Warren and Alex are very high quality editors as well but they both are cooling off a bit right now. You yourself probably would be in the front row if a rating were to be made. (And I am sure I am missing a few other prolific editors too).

The Visual Studio article will take some time, around a week. I am also looking forward to it the most, so I kept it for the last. --soum ^talk 14:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Did you read this

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/04/wikipedia_secret_mailing/ Of course I'm skeptical about believing everything "The Register" writes. But it is very disturbing. Especially, the comments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.128.147.129 (talk) 18:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it IS scary. But I am not too comfortable discussing it in public. --soum ^talk 11:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Note from the Microsoft Parallel Computing team

I’m from the Microsoft Parallel Computing team. We’re excited to see you writing about Parallel Extensions to the .NET Framework. If you’d like to learn more about it, drop us a mail at pext2net [AT] microsoft [DOT] com to set up a meeting in which we can show you more. Thank you for your interest. –Ed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.73 (talk) 03:19, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

FCL & BCL

G'day. I noticed that you'd reverted the last edit I made on Base Class Library and changed the stub I made, Framework Class Library, into a redirect; which you then reverted back to my version. Your comment was "there is no such thing as FCL, as a separate entity from the BCL". Now, the way I understand it, BCL is just a collection of namespaces, and their classes, within the FCL. So, the FCL article should list all the namespaces and the BCL article should only list the BCL namespaces. Whereas I'm not close to being a professional, I might be wrong. I started a discussion on the BCL's talkpage. Cheers. --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 17:38, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Like I suspected, this is the entiry Base Class Library. --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 19:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

My apologies. I got confused. They r indeed different. But after 1.1 release, the entire class library is informally called BCL, causing the confusion. The best way to tackle this, I think, would be to create a single article and explain the differences in the lead and then list namespaces in different sections. just my thoughts. --soum ^talk 02:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I can't stand conversations scattered over many talkpages so let's continue here if you don't mind. --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 02:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

What do you think about making a list of all System namespaces? Something to contain these sexy beasts: --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 02:55, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

The System namespaces:

System Namespace System.AddIn Namespace System.AddIn.Contract Namespace System.AddIn.Contract.Automation Namespace System.AddIn.Contract.Collections Namespace System.AddIn.Hosting Namespace System.AddIn.Pipeline Namespace System.CodeDom Namespace System.CodeDom.Compiler Namespace System.Collections Namespace System.Collections.Generic Namespace System.Collections.ObjectModel Namespace System.Collections.Specialized Namespace System.ComponentModel Namespace System.ComponentModel.Design Namespace System.ComponentModel.Design.Data Namespace System.ComponentModel.Design.Serialization Namespace System.Configuration Namespace System.Configuration.Assemblies Namespace System.Configuration.Install Namespace System.Configuration.Internal Namespace System.Configuration.Provider Namespace System.Data Namespace System.Data.Common Namespace System.Data.Design Namespace System.Data.Linq Namespace System.Data.Linq.Mapping Namespace System.Data.Linq.SqlClient Namespace System.Data.Linq.SqlClient.Implementation Namespace System.Data.Odbc Namespace System.Data.OleDb Namespace System.Data.OracleClient Namespace System.Data.Sql Namespace System.Data.SqlClient Namespace System.Data.SqlTypes Namespace System.Deployment.Application Namespace System.Deployment.Internal Namespace System.Diagnostics Namespace System.Diagnostics.CodeAnalysis Namespace System.Diagnostics.Design Namespace System.Diagnostics.Eventing Namespace System.Diagnostics.Eventing.Reader Namespace System.Diagnostics.PerformanceData Namespace System.Diagnostics.SymbolStore Namespace System.DirectoryServices Namespace System.DirectoryServices.AccountManagement Namespace System.DirectoryServices.ActiveDirectory Namespace System.DirectoryServices.Protocols Namespace System.Drawing Namespace System.Drawing.Design Namespace System.Drawing.Drawing2D Namespace System.Drawing.Imaging Namespace System.Drawing.Printing Namespace System.Drawing.Text Namespace System.EnterpriseServices Namespace System.EnterpriseServices.CompensatingResourceManager Namespace System.EnterpriseServices.Internal Namespace System.Globalization Namespace System.IdentityModel.Claims Namespace System.IdentityModel.Policy Namespace System.IdentityModel.Selectors Namespace System.IdentityModel.Tokens Namespace System.IO Namespace System.IO.Compression Namespace System.IO.IsolatedStorage Namespace System.IO.Log Namespace System.IO.Packaging Namespace System.IO.Pipes Namespace System.IO.Ports Namespace System.Linq Namespace System.Linq.Expressions Namespace System.Management Namespace System.Management.Instrumentation Namespace System.Media Namespace System.Messaging Namespace System.Messaging.Design Namespace System.Net Namespace System.Net.Cache Namespace System.Net.Configuration Namespace System.Net.Mail Namespace System.Net.Mime Namespace System.Net.NetworkInformation Namespace System.Net.PeerToPeer Namespace System.Net.PeerToPeer.Collaboration Namespace System.Net.Security Namespace System.Net.Sockets Namespace System.Printing Namespace System.Printing.IndexedProperties Namespace System.Printing.Interop Namespace System.Reflection Namespace System.Reflection.Emit Namespace System.Resources Namespace System.Resources.Tools Namespace System.Runtime Namespace System.Runtime.CompilerServices Namespace System.Runtime.ConstrainedExecution Namespace System.Runtime.Hosting Namespace System.Runtime.InteropServices Namespace System.Runtime.InteropServices.ComTypes Namespace System.Runtime.InteropServices.CustomMarshalers Namespace System.Runtime.InteropServices.Expando Namespace System.Runtime.Remoting Namespace System.Runtime.Remoting.Activation Namespace System.Runtime.Remoting.Channels Namespace System.Runtime.Remoting.Channels.Http Namespace System.Runtime.Remoting.Channels.Ipc Namespace System.Runtime.Remoting.Channels.Tcp Namespace System.Runtime.Remoting.Contexts Namespace System.Runtime.Remoting.Lifetime Namespace System.Runtime.Remoting.Messaging Namespace System.Runtime.Remoting.Metadata Namespace System.Runtime.Remoting.Metadata.W3cXsd2001 Namespace System.Runtime.Remoting.MetadataServices Namespace System.Runtime.Remoting.Proxies Namespace System.Runtime.Remoting.Services Namespace System.Runtime.Serialization Namespace System.Runtime.Serialization.Configuration Namespace System.Runtime.Serialization.Formatters Namespace System.Runtime.Serialization.Formatters.Binary Namespace System.Runtime.Serialization.Formatters.Soap Namespace System.Runtime.Serialization.Json Namespace System.Runtime.Versioning Namespace System.Security Namespace System.Security.AccessControl Namespace System.Security.Authentication Namespace System.Security.Cryptography Namespace System.Security.Cryptography.Pkcs Namespace System.Security.Cryptography.X509Certificates Namespace System.Security.Cryptography.Xml Namespace System.Security.Permissions Namespace System.Security.Policy Namespace System.Security.Principal Namespace System.Security.RightsManagement Namespace System.ServiceModel Namespace System.ServiceModel.Activation Namespace System.ServiceModel.Activation.Configuration Namespace System.ServiceModel.Channels Namespace System.ServiceModel.ComIntegration Namespace System.ServiceModel.Configuration Namespace System.ServiceModel.Description Namespace System.ServiceModel.Diagnostics Namespace System.ServiceModel.Dispatcher Namespace System.ServiceModel.Install.Configuration Namespace System.ServiceModel.Internal Namespace System.ServiceModel.MsmqIntegration Namespace System.ServiceModel.PeerResolvers Namespace System.ServiceModel.Persistence Namespace System.ServiceModel.Security Namespace System.ServiceModel.Security.Tokens Namespace System.ServiceModel.Syndication Namespace System.ServiceModel.Web Namespace System.ServiceProcess Namespace System.ServiceProcess.Design Namespace System.Speech.AudioFormat Namespace System.Speech.Recognition Namespace System.Speech.Recognition.SrgsGrammar Namespace System.Speech.Synthesis Namespace System.Speech.Synthesis.TtsEngine Namespace System.Text Namespace System.Text.RegularExpressions Namespace System.Threading Namespace System.Timers Namespace System.Transactions Namespace System.Transactions.Configuration Namespace System.Web Namespace System.Web.ApplicationServices Namespace System.Web.Caching Namespace System.Web.ClientServices Namespace System.Web.ClientServices.Providers Namespace System.Web.Compilation Namespace System.Web.Configuration Namespace System.Web.Configuration.Internal Namespace System.Web.Handlers Namespace System.Web.Hosting Namespace System.Web.Mail Namespace System.Web.Management Namespace System.Web.Mobile Namespace System.Web.Profile Namespace System.Web.Query.Dynamic Namespace System.Web.RegularExpressions Namespace System.Web.Script.Serialization Namespace System.Web.Script.Services Namespace System.Web.Security Namespace System.Web.Services Namespace System.Web.Services.Configuration Namespace System.Web.Services.Description Namespace System.Web.Services.Discovery Namespace System.Web.Services.Protocols Namespace System.Web.SessionState Namespace System.Web.UI Namespace System.Web.UI.Adapters Namespace System.Web.UI.Design Namespace System.Web.UI.Design.MobileControls Namespace System.Web.UI.Design.MobileControls.Converters Namespace System.Web.UI.Design.WebControls Namespace System.Web.UI.Design.WebControls.WebParts Namespace System.Web.UI.HtmlControls Namespace System.Web.UI.MobileControls Namespace System.Web.UI.MobileControls.Adapters Namespace System.Web.UI.MobileControls.Adapters.XhtmlAdapters Namespace System.Web.UI.WebControls Namespace System.Web.UI.WebControls.Adapters Namespace System.Web.UI.WebControls.WebParts Namespace System.Web.Util Namespace System.Windows Namespace System.Windows.Annotations Namespace System.Windows.Annotations.Storage Namespace System.Windows.Automation Namespace System.Windows.Automation.Peers Namespace System.Windows.Automation.Provider Namespace System.Windows.Automation.Text Namespace System.Windows.Controls Namespace System.Windows.Controls.Primitives Namespace System.Windows.Converters Namespace System.Windows.Data Namespace System.Windows.Documents Namespace System.Windows.Documents.DocumentStructures Namespace System.Windows.Documents.Serialization Namespace System.Windows.Forms Namespace System.Windows.Forms.ComponentModel.Com2Interop Namespace System.Windows.Forms.Design Namespace System.Windows.Forms.Design.Behavior Namespace System.Windows.Forms.Integration Namespace System.Windows.Forms.Layout Namespace System.Windows.Forms.PropertyGridInternal Namespace System.Windows.Forms.VisualStyles Namespace System.Windows.Ink Namespace System.Windows.Ink.AnalysisCore Namespace System.Windows.Input Namespace System.Windows.Input.StylusPlugIns Namespace System.Windows.Interop Namespace System.Windows.Markup Namespace System.Windows.Markup.Localizer Namespace System.Windows.Markup.Primitives Namespace System.Windows.Media Namespace System.Windows.Media.Animation Namespace System.Windows.Media.Converters Namespace System.Windows.Media.Effects Namespace System.Windows.Media.Imaging Namespace System.Windows.Media.Media3D Namespace System.Windows.Media.Media3D.Converters Namespace System.Windows.Media.TextFormatting Namespace System.Windows.Navigation Namespace System.Windows.Resources Namespace System.Windows.Shapes Namespace System.Windows.Threading Namespace System.Windows.Xps Namespace System.Windows.Xps.Packaging Namespace System.Windows.Xps.Serialization Namespace System.Workflow.Activities Namespace System.Workflow.Activities.Configuration Namespace System.Workflow.Activities.Rules Namespace System.Workflow.Activities.Rules.Design Namespace System.Workflow.ComponentModel Namespace System.Workflow.ComponentModel.Compiler Namespace System.Workflow.ComponentModel.Design Namespace System.Workflow.ComponentModel.Serialization Namespace System.Workflow.Runtime Namespace System.Workflow.Runtime.Configuration Namespace System.Workflow.Runtime.DebugEngine Namespace System.Workflow.Runtime.Hosting Namespace System.Workflow.Runtime.Tracking Namespace System.Xml Namespace System.Xml.Linq Namespace System.Xml.Schema Namespace System.Xml.Serialization Namespace System.Xml.Serialization.Advanced Namespace System.Xml.Serialization.Configuration Namespace System.Xml.XPath Namespace System.Xml.Xsl Namespace System.Xml.Xsl.Runtime Namespace

How does List of System namespaces sound? --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 02:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

It would take too much space in the FCL article. I can think of a lot of cool info for such a list. --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 02:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Sounds awesome. I am using my mobile right now and editing is a major pain. I will get back in when I reach home. --soum ^talk 03:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I did it. Check it out. Got to go to sleep now, catch you later. If anything comes up, leave me a message here or on the appropriate talkpage. --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 04:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think a vanilla list would help. I moved the article to userspace for temporary protection. Anyway, I created .NET Class Libraries to show what I have in mind. Both BCL ad FCL can redirect to this. What do you think? --soum ^talk 05:41, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Also, listing all namespaces would be an overkill. Wiki articles are not to be intended as API documentation. Rather the current format of following up a namespace with a desc is much better. We will have to choose the most visible namespaces but we can give a much deatiled coverage than just namespace names. --soum ^talk 06:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you're probably right, it's too much to have all the namespaces on the list. All though I think that this view (User:Soumyasch/List of System.* namespaces) isn't really bad. Maybe it's possible to have it within one of those expanding/collapsing thingies, like above. But how do we choose the most important namespaces for the table? I only have personal experience with a few (System, System.Collections, System.IO, System.Windows.Forms) and haven't (yet) duck deep into the rest. How about the top level ones? Somewhat like:

System 
System.AddIn 
System.CodeDom 
System.Collections 
System.ComponentModel 
System.Configuration 
System.Data 
System.Deployment.Application 
System.Deployment.Internal 
System.Diagnostics 

but skip the descending ones:

System.AddIn.Contract 
System.AddIn.Contract.Automation 
System.AddIn.Contract.Collections 
System.AddIn.Hosting 
System.AddIn.Pipeline 
System.CodeDom.Compiler 
System.Collections.Generic 
System.Collections.ObjectModel 
System.Collections.Specialized 
System.ComponentModel.Design 
System.ComponentModel.Design.Data 
System.ComponentModel.Design.Serialization 
System.Configuration.Assemblies 
System.Configuration.Install 
System.Configuration.Internal 
System.Configuration.Provider 
System.Data.Common 
System.Data.Design 
System.Data.Linq 
System.Data.Linq.Mapping 
System.Data.Linq.SqlClient 
System.Data.Linq.SqlClient.Implementation 
System.Data.Odbc 
System.Data.OleDb 
System.Data.OracleClient 
System.Data.Sql 
System.Data.SqlClient 
System.Data.SqlTypes 

That way the list wouldn't be half as long. --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 12:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

By the way, yes, I think it would be a good idea to have FCL and BCL to redirect to .NET Class Libraries. We just have to remember to change the template as well. --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 13:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind if I edit ".NET Class Libraries". --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 23:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I added quite a few from the BCL article. How do you like it? --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 00:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Well done. If this can cover the top-level namespaces, it will make the list redundant. Anyways, lets get it to a bit more maturity, then we can replace the BCL and FCL pages. --soum ^talk 07:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I have some questions, User talk:Soumyasch/Incubator/.NET Class Libraries. --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 16:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Do you know about any proper website or site within the Mircosoft website where I can find info on when the namespaces were first introduced and also some material about non-.NET fx namespaces? --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 01:25, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I am not aware of any such website, but the info can easily be found out. Install all versions of the framework (1.0, 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, 3.5, CF and SL) and use .NET Reflector to browse the namespaces in each. --soum ^talk 03:55, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

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