Sara Lambert Bloom

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Please help me with Frank Gorell bio. Sara Lambert Bloom (talk) 13:42, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello Sara, could you find a few independant sources which contain significant coverage of Gorell and add links to them at the bottom of the article? (Even better would be to click the "Cite" button and add these links directly to the relevant sections, which makes verification easier) I'll then take a look at the article :) – Thjarkur (talk) 16:19, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

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I took a quick look at your article.While Frank Gorell appears to have led an admirable and significant life, he does not appear to have accomplished anything that wikipedia would consider notable, that is earning him mentions in reliable sources, like major newspapers. His obituary is not a reliable source for citations; obituaries are wtitten by family members. I did find mention of him testifying before congress in 1974, his testimony was for the government to release their stock of aluminum, which he needed to fabricate storm windows and doors.While testifying before congress is interesting, it is not notable, as there is no mentions in the media that I could find of the event, nor did i tresult in a newsworthy event

. As Grasberg mentioned there is puffery in your article that needs to be removed . I am going to excise or modify the sentences and phrases I feel are inappropriate, you can either revert my edits or add them back in.

You also need to have citations from reliable sources (not the obituary) for each paragraph or profund statement. If you have them but don't know how to enter them, let me know and I will try to help, but basically there is a "cite" icon at the top of the page, along with bold, italics etc. You click on Cite and then choose whether it is book, newspaper website etc.

I have done some editing as has another editor however the article has a lot of "NAME DROPPING", which is not significant or notable for a professional or semi professional musician. Musicians who play in any orchestra or band are not notable for that fact. They have to be notable in themselves, meaning their achievements or activities were significant enough for WP:RS sources to take notice. Point is all of those well known names for which he played or in whose orchestra he played are interesting, but not notable as far as he is concerned. He has lots of company in that regard and none of those are notable. Until you can come up with reliable sourced citations this article will be declinedOldperson (talk) 16:53, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Þjarkur, Oldperson (and Sara, of course), I found this [1] which I can't read but maybe someone can get around that. Based on Curtis Institute of Music, this [2] could add to the case for WP:N. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:51, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

BTW, looking at the obit, it seems to say it was written by a journalist. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:55, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Google also hints there's something in this newspaper [3], but I can't read that either. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:06, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Newspaper.com is a pay to view outfit. I've been tempted to join. I have some genealogical. I am an amateur (not paid) genetic genealogists and from time to time help people,newspapers.com is a source, but am hesitant about submitting a membership request to online concerns. You often have to actively cancel a subscription, otherwise you are billed for eternity. perhaps the article creator is motivated enough to buy in.Oldperson (talk) 18:14, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange may be able to help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:22, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

I did a little digging and I think the obit is a generally ok source, based on Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_75#News_obituaries? and Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_50#Obituaries. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:33, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Good to know that obits can be RS. Now to learn how to distiguish between the RS and not RS.Oldperson (talk) 18:38, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa SångI checked out your WP link and then the obit. You are 100% correct it seems that most everything in the article is in the obit and the was written by a staffer of tne newspaper, So I am going to use it as a reference and we will see what happens.