Salpynx

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Again, welcome! Gap9551 (talk) 23:37, 8 November 2015 (UTC) Gap9551 (talk) 23:37, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Why are you deleting isbns?

In your recent edits e.g.: [1], [2] you have deleted multiple isbns, why? Mztourist (talk) 05:56, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

The ISBN previously on those pages, 9789998843523, does not have a valid publisher range and does not appear to be officially allocated. When I checked the original work as cited (available in two different digital scans: https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a100569.pdf , https://web.archive.org/web/20161123144448/http://www.afhso.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-100525-052.pdf) to see if there was a typo, neither show an ISBN, so the cited work was not originally published with any ISBN. Both have the LCCN 80-24547 I added, so that is a valid identifier for the item (note the LOC records have no record of an ISBN either). If I had to guess, that ISBN is for some print-on-demand of the public domain scanned pdfs, but since the scans are linked and freely available, that ISBN isn't required, and doesn't apply to the particular item used to make the references. I hope that clears things up and explains my actions. I made sure to add the archived URLs (looks like I added an incomplete one on Kadena Air Base -- I'll fix that) and checked the cited page number did apply to the linked pdfs Salpynx (talk) 06:43, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Noted but those ISBNs do take you to the books on Amazon and other bookseller sites which are likely more useful to readers rather than LCCNs. Mztourist (talk) 10:10, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks for the ISBNT

I learned something new. I didn't know about Template:ISBNT before I saw where you used it in an article I have on my watchlist. That is cleaner and more useful in many contexts. Thanks! Grorp (talk) 00:27, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Help with Philosophical pessimism and Antinatalism#Asymmetry between good and bad things

Hello there! I see you've been quite active in some things related to the above mentioned pages. I'm pinging you @Salpynx: directly to ask for some help. I've started 3 initiatives for these pages. If you could spare some time in the near future, could you please take a look at the proposal and voice your opinion? Of course, if you have interest, time, and energy to participate that would be amazing!

Here are the projects:

1. Talk:Philosophical_pessimism#A proposal for an overhaul of the article — this initiative is already in progress. The idea is to raise the quality of the page by switching it from a mere historical account to a more encyclopedic format.

2. Talk:Philosophical_pessimism#A proposal to split the History into a dedicated page — related to the one above. The historical account is overly detailed. It would be much better to have a dedicated page for the history of philosophical pessimism and leave only a brief history in the main page.

3. Talk:Antinatalism#A proposal to create a dedicated page for Benatar's axiological asymmetry — here, the idea is to extract the axiological asymmetry argument into a dedicated page. This way, a more detailed presentation could be given. In addition, we could expand on the various responses others philosophers made and counters from Benatar. Other pages could have a brief description and link to the details page.

I hope at least some of this will spark your interest! Fantastiera (talk) 21:51, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

ISBN discussion

Hi – apologies for the unsolicited advice, but it might be wise to strike "I think you are lying" before it gets you in trouble. From the tone of that comment, it seems like you're becoming (understandably) frustrated, and I think now would be the time to walk away from the discussion and let it take its course. You've made a lot of good points but they're in danger of becoming buried in the threaded discussion. SMcCandlish has been clear that he is not going to withdraw the RfC, so all that's left for us to do now is watch on and hope that sanity prevails. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 07:05, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. I appreciate the feedback and advice. Changed. I hope that still makes my point which I wanted to be strong. I am frustrated, and regret being overly verbose and splitting my arguments so much. I knew of the past incident you mentioned, (it's a good example, and shows status quo and sanity) and didn't mean to insult those particular past edits or users in the way it read. Those were worked through eventually, as you said. My last interactions with that user were positive enough, and their edits improved. I didn't mean disrespect there, even if I've misremembered. In the context of that history, similar edits from different users would be hard to justify, is what I meant, but I should have phrased it better. I think I'm talking about hypothetical edits, but my evening won't be improved for seeing new ones. I agree about stepping away, I think I've said everything I need. Thanks. Salpynx (talk) 08:00, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

The ISBN hyphenation history apparently runs deeper than I realized. I thought I knew, but apparently I only caught the tail end of it. It's reassuring to read even more editors saying sensible things about ISBNs. I did provide a link to the ISBN project page, but I hadn't seen the ANI discussion before.

Not expecting a response, just putting these links here for my and others' reference if anyone ever wants to read more opinions on ISBN hyphenation and decide whether there's some kind of general WP:CON:

• User_talk:Srich32977/Archive_27#Still_ISBNs_after_all_these_years?
• Wikipedia_talk:ISBN#Hyphens_in_ISBNs
• Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1126#Srich32977_and_FAITACCOMPLI

I need to look into how subst works in the suggested {{ISBN|{{subst:Format ISBN|9780631184287}}}} as I've never used it before. It sounds like the hyphenate-on-save idea I got temporarily excited about. It is more typing though, so it might not catch on, and it's probably not necessary anyway (as others say). My view is that with the current mild and not-especially-binding guidelines (which are that way for good reasons), articles will eventually tend towards all hyphenated forms as a result of good edits, but there's no rush. After some deep breaths, sanity prevailing seems likely, and I should not have panicked so. Salpynx (talk) 10:37, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Not sure how I ended up on your talk page, but I know you've been doing a ton of work on ISBNs. I have been using {{ISBN|{{subst:Format ISBN|<unformatted ISBN>}}}} for a few months now and it works well. I occasionally get push back from other editors, but I usually just leave the other editors preference. See User_talk:Bevidsthed#Tears_(Danish_band)_and_Aqua_(band), for example. (I still need to go back to them and explain how the extra "]" are bollixing the cite templates and need to be addressed.) Anyway, thanks for all you're doing for Wikipedia. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 05:17, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

PS, you probably know this, but you can't subst the Format ISBN template inside ref tags. The compiler barfs all over the ref. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 05:19, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

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isbn changes

Have you considered using Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser for the isbn changes? I don't know if the isbn-13 entries are always formatted or always unformatted, but it might be worth a try. I'd be happy to work with you on setting up the find and replace regular expressions. Also, do you mind help on this?Naraht (talk) 00:47, 8 February 2024 (UTC)