RustyOldShip

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Jdcomix (talk) 15:39, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

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Hi RustyOldShip, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like it here and decide to stay. Our intro page provides helpful information for new users—please check it out! If you have any questions, you can get help from experienced editors at the Teahouse. Always happy to see new editors contributing to the chemistry articles:) Happy editing! DMacks (talk) 04:16, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I echo DMacks welcome. It is great to see someone else writing about herbicides. You may not be aware that there is a list of herbicides which may give you some ideas for new articles. In many cases, there is an existing link to Wikidata for the compounds which don't have articles on the English Wikipedia. That's a fast way to check if they have one in another language or, if not, to pick up their Pubchem and other IDs. You will also find links on the list page to reliable sources like the Pesticide Properties Database (e.g. for Prosulfocarb). In some people's opinion, which I agree with, that's a much better source for physical property data than chemicalbook.com: see WP:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive 408#chemicalbook.com. Don't hesitate to contact me if you ever need advice. Regards. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:34, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I have mainly been doing pesticides I worked to manufacture. That's a good handbook. At least for prosulfocarb, having worked with it I can tell they weren't not far off. (Annoyingly I cannot cite myself to say "it's dark, deep purple almost", maybe it's just that I saw it in tons not test-tubes). PPDB confirms (+- a little) what I cited from chembook but I'll use it in future. Is it often that there's much to gain by cross-comparing other languages wiki? I had assumed English to be predominant but the German and Dutch prosulfocarb articles are about on the level of the one I made, but much older and cover different topics.

Trifluralin I at least kept a sample to photograph. It's a little odd seeing the crystals (dried slowly in an IBC) being red and the chembox saying yellow. Yet having spilled it over things, it becomes yellow if splashings harden. Differences in crystal size?

Regards,

decade-dormant account RustyOldShip (talk) 14:04, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

I never worked on large scales, only in research with my whole career at Jealott's Hill. The PPDB gets most of its information from formal registration documents, which I assume are themselves based on highly purified material made as reference samples by the originator. Our MOS:CHEM suggests that if you want to include synthesis details you should base them on the first published synthesis, which is often a patent, but that it is sensible to include the manufacturing route as well if that's also published.

I find that the German Wikipedia sometimes has articles we don't but tends to allow a very boiler-plate style that doesn't amount to more than repeating what's in basic sources like Pubchem. I don't use it, preferring to work from scratch. See my userpage for some of the articles I've produced. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:35, 8 August 2024 (UTC)