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Latest comment: 12 years ago by GiantSnowman in topic Steve Kean
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I have amended the statistics table in this article to include all first-team matches played by Blackburn Rovers during Kean's time as manager to tie up to the Soccerbase table used as a reference. As far as I can see, all other Premier League managers' articles include the full statistics as per Soccerbase. Your approach is counter to the agreed consensus and constitutes original research. Before deciding whether or not to revert my edit, please contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Steve Kean. Cheers. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 07:08, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
- Your latest edit summary shows your intention is clearly to put Kean in a bad light. Perhaps you should read WP:point. Consequently, I have deleted the second table. If you feel strongly enough that your view is relevant, perhaps you could enter into a discussion. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 15:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
- Absolute rubbish! If i had placed it on Wikipedia to reflect him in a bad light. I would have done so unprofessionally. I am not like that. I have been editing Rovers page and the clubs players and staff's pages for over a decade now! I can understand your logic for adding cup games into his stats. But Kean is currently 'statistically' Blackburn Rovers worst Premier League manager 'ever'. This is a fact that will be reflected in future articles. I also know dozens of Blackburn Rovers fans who come onto Wikipedia to reference this factual information. Having a table which only includes Premier League results is a logical and much needed element. Having results included in only one visable table distorts the record of a football manager. Ie, wins against lower league teams. As i have said before, i don't mind having a table including all results. But a Premier League table is needed. QUESTION: if i was trying to reflect Kean in a bad light for alterior motives, don't you think i would have deleted the table that included cup results too? Be reasonable. I have. RoverTheBendInSussex (talk) 16:15, 11 December 2011 (GMT)
- There is no need for a second table, and your edits are starting to become disruptive. Your inclusion definitely hints towards an agends to portray Kean as "Blackburn Rovers worst Premier League manager 'ever'" (direct quote from yourself, above). Please stop re-adding it, and continue to discuss. GiantSnowman 16:21, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
- Leave the 2nd table alone! It is not doing any harm and as i have already explained to you politely. It is relevent to this season's Premier League and Blackburn Rovers history. If you don't stop undoing this table. I will report you to Wikipedia Watchdogs for page vandalism. My edits are not causing problems. Yours are. I have Blackburn Rovers fans right now asking me what is going on with the Steve Kean page on Wikipedia and are asking me why the Premier League table keeps getting removed. I will continue to edit the Premier League and non Premier League table in the ongoing future. Stop accusing me of things when i am continuing to be neutral 'on Wikipedia' regards Steve Kean's page! I am discussing it. It has been discussed and myself and several other people disagree with you!RoverTheBendInSussex (talk) 16:38, 11 December 2011 (GMT)
- Oh, it's relevant to this season is it? WP:RECENTISM forbids that, does it not? Please stop trying to push any kind of agenda. GiantSnowman 16:42, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
- PS where exactly have you discussed this? Not on the article talk page, and not at WT:FOOTY. Not here either, seeing as no-one agrees with you. Where are these legions of supporters you claim you have? GiantSnowman 16:47, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
- I have a group of 2093 people on Facebook who use my 'legitame' 'accurate' edits on Wikipedia. I am not pushing any agenda. So stop accusing me of things that are unfounded. The table is legitemate statistical facts and should be allowed. It does not break WP:RECENTISM as is relevant to the longterm history of a football club. Ie, a manager of the football club being statistically the worst manager the club has had in the Premier League. Something i have already said which you have chosen to ignore.RoverTheBendInSussex (talk) 17:25, 11 December 2011 (GMT)
- A bunch of pissed-off Rovers fans in a Facebook group does not have any kind of authority or power on Wikipedia, sorry. You want to show he is the worst manager in the history of the world ever? Introduce a reliable source to verify that claim, do not use original research by interpreting stats to do that. Again, you have not discussed on the article talk page, I advise you to do so ASAP. GiantSnowman 21:04, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
- I have a group of 2093 people on Facebook who use my 'legitame' 'accurate' edits on Wikipedia. I am not pushing any agenda. So stop accusing me of things that are unfounded. The table is legitemate statistical facts and should be allowed. It does not break WP:RECENTISM as is relevant to the longterm history of a football club. Ie, a manager of the football club being statistically the worst manager the club has had in the Premier League. Something i have already said which you have chosen to ignore.RoverTheBendInSussex (talk) 17:25, 11 December 2011 (GMT)
- Leave the 2nd table alone! It is not doing any harm and as i have already explained to you politely. It is relevent to this season's Premier League and Blackburn Rovers history. If you don't stop undoing this table. I will report you to Wikipedia Watchdogs for page vandalism. My edits are not causing problems. Yours are. I have Blackburn Rovers fans right now asking me what is going on with the Steve Kean page on Wikipedia and are asking me why the Premier League table keeps getting removed. I will continue to edit the Premier League and non Premier League table in the ongoing future. Stop accusing me of things when i am continuing to be neutral 'on Wikipedia' regards Steve Kean's page! I am discussing it. It has been discussed and myself and several other people disagree with you!RoverTheBendInSussex (talk) 16:38, 11 December 2011 (GMT)
- There is no need for a second table, and your edits are starting to become disruptive. Your inclusion definitely hints towards an agends to portray Kean as "Blackburn Rovers worst Premier League manager 'ever'" (direct quote from yourself, above). Please stop re-adding it, and continue to discuss. GiantSnowman 16:21, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
- Absolute rubbish! If i had placed it on Wikipedia to reflect him in a bad light. I would have done so unprofessionally. I am not like that. I have been editing Rovers page and the clubs players and staff's pages for over a decade now! I can understand your logic for adding cup games into his stats. But Kean is currently 'statistically' Blackburn Rovers worst Premier League manager 'ever'. This is a fact that will be reflected in future articles. I also know dozens of Blackburn Rovers fans who come onto Wikipedia to reference this factual information. Having a table which only includes Premier League results is a logical and much needed element. Having results included in only one visable table distorts the record of a football manager. Ie, wins against lower league teams. As i have said before, i don't mind having a table including all results. But a Premier League table is needed. QUESTION: if i was trying to reflect Kean in a bad light for alterior motives, don't you think i would have deleted the table that included cup results too? Be reasonable. I have. RoverTheBendInSussex (talk) 16:15, 11 December 2011 (GMT)