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Vandal refactored my block message - could you take a look?
Hey Bugbear, haven't seen much of you lately. We need to talk soon about WikiProject European history. But on another note, you'll see a retracted warning on my usertalkpage where apparently User:Wikipedian64 refactored my block message here and another editor didn't look close enough and templated me for it. I know this will be considered pretty stale at WP:AIV and I am now involved so I won't address it myself, but wondered if you'd look into it and warn, block, or block and protect User:Wikipedian64 as you deem appropriate. The user only comes around every couple of weeks but whenever he or she does, there is inevitably vandalism. You may want to review the user's contribs as well as the other warnings on the talk page. Interestingly, the user refactored my block message to make it appear that I had made the same personal attacks that he or she was blocked for leaving in an edit summary. I believe it's a vandal only account and should be long-term blocked or even blocked and locked but then, I'm biased. :-) Thanks for taking a look.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 19:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
- He refactored again, I've reverted and will refer the matter to WP:AIV; thanks.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 20:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- Wow! Even with a recent edit, another admin saw it as no big deal and said wait for him to respond to warning (I reverted his most recent refactoring and left a level 3 warning - highest refactoring warning available).--Doug.(talk • contribs) 20:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Words of Advice
You are so right! I'm, learning the hard way, and I don't know what I can do about it now. You can't stuff the toothpaste back into the tube.
Any advice you can give now? I don't feel like I have anyone in my corner, and if I seek support I get accused of canvassing. What do you do when the people who watch you and mess with you already have their support system established so they don't HAVE to contact them? And here I am with my chin hanging out.Rosencomet (talk) 20:54, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I am still unclear about the canvassing policies, which seem just plain screwy to me. For instance, some editors seem to keep their friends on a watchlist, or drop hints about things they'd like others to help with or votes they'd like them to weigh in on. Some act in obvious cooperation. Some just plain ask for help. I get accused of canvassing when I try this.
- In a case like mine, where a decision is being made about blocking me (in a conversation that seems to include my whole history, not just the canvassing issue, and I'm being tarred by association with the Ekajati Sockpuppets, something I had no knowledge of back then), under what circumstances and in what manner could I suggest either to those who supported me in prior mediations or arbitrations, or have simply been civil and helpful to me in the past, that this case is even happening? Pigman, who opened the case, is already counting up the block votes mere hours after I posted my apology and just one day after opening the case.Rosencomet (talk) 19:44, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'm not disagreeing with you at all; my question had to do with what I can or can't do NOW as far as asking for support, not whether I was wrong about the e-mail. I admit I was wrong, and I apologized for it on the case's page, and have contacted the people I e-mailed and told them I was wrong to send it and asked them to ignore it and take no action about articles I might have written. I will not violate your trust. I'm just wondering if I should ask Fred Bauder, Thatcher, and Newyorkbrad to weigh in, too. Fred has always been particularly kind to me. There are also a few editors like Septagram and Wjohnson who have been supportive. Is there a way to bring this case to their attention in an appropriate manner before it is closed?
- One thing I would like to note: I only e-mailed a few people, and reached about 5 or 6. None have expressed an interest in the project; of course, I took it back within a pretty short time. One of these friends, however, misunderstood the nature of my suggestion and posted it on four yahoo groups he's a member of. This (besides the fact that I did something so ill-conceived and inadvisable in the first place) is what caused the problem. He has apologized to me, but the damage is done.
- I will not violate your trust; I said in my apology that I'll never violate canvassing policies again, and I will abide by that. I greatly appreciate your understanding. Rosencomet (talk) 22:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- Will do; and thank you again.Rosencomet (talk) 22:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Rosencomet editing
I don't really know what I can do to help my case. Here is a snapshot of my actual editing since the Arbcom. The impression being given by Mattisse, Pigman and Kathryn (who have shown their attitude towards me numerous times, and which I will document if necessary, including recent tandem tagging of over 35 articles I work on and several nominations and re-nominations for deletion, all done in a space of a few days), is that I have not changed my editing since the close of the Arbcom that ended Mar. 29th, 2007. Rather than judging the sriousness of my blunder, they are retrying me on everything I've been accused of since I came here, including giving only one side of the entire conflict between Mattisse's army of sockpuppets and Ekajati's. Thatcher and others can tell you that laying all that on my shoulders and believing everything Mattisse decides to select from that whole mess is grossly unfair; I was a newby, knowing nothing of sockpuppetry when all that went down, and little of wikipolicy and wikipolitics at all.
I don't know where it would be appropriate to place this, but here is a snapshot of my editing since then. It is alphabetical and presently includes just the articles I originated, but I will gladly continue it until it includes every article I've written or edited, so anyone can see that starting from the first edit I've done and dragging us through the entire Mattisse - Ekajati/999/Hanuman Das thing in this one-sided way that they are doing is unfair. My editing has not been contentious; Pigman, Kathryn and Mattisse have tried to provoke me into revert wars and other contentions, and I have restrained myself in almost all cases while asking for help from Arbitrators like Fred Bauder, Thatcher and Newyorkbrad. Getting little help, and having Pigman, Kathryn and Mattisse ignore Fred Bauder's statement that I was free to edit responsibly but continuing to accuse me of violating Wikipedia policy, I looked for help first from other editors and then from friends I hoped might become editors. I didn't understand the seriousness of this action, and I have apologized for it.
But the truth is, my editing has improved a great deal since the Arbcom. I have been mostly writing articles about people that have NEVER been to one of the events I've worked on, I have NOT been adding even internal Starwood links to articles much less the external ones that the Arbcom was about (I've even occasionally deleted some existing ones myself), have NOT reverted anything more than once (not just once in a day, but at all, and that rarely), and except for vigorous support on discussion and nomination for deletion pages I have stood by and watched as work I've done has been deleted without opposing it even when I thought the motivation was personal or the basis was flimsy.
Here is a record of my edits on articles I've written since the Arbcom. It contains 69 articles, 4 of which have been deleted (3 recently). Twenty-seven have been created since the Arbcom, and only 5 of those had any connection to ACE or Starwood. Please use it in whatever way it can be helpful, and tell me if you want me to complete the list and/or include articles I didn't create but edited. I not only do want to improve, I HAVE worked to that end. It is Pigman, Kathryn and Mattisse who simply won't recognize this and insist on instigating conflict in the hope of pushing me to do something blockable... and I must admit they are very good at it.
- Matthew Abelson – created Aug 16th, 2006. Only 1 edit since Arbcom: replaced a citation for a better one. Starwood link exists since before Arbcom, along with links to other events.
- Amampondo – created Aug 17th, 2006. No edits since arbitration. Starwood mention was deleted by Mattisse sockpuppet ABSmyth Aug 22nd, 2006, I did not revert; no mention in article. I have not edited it since the Arbcom.
- Ted Andrews – created Oct. 10th 2007. Never been to Starwood, never linked to it. Most recent edits March 2008; improvements not Starwood related.
- ArcheDream – created Sept. 17, 2006. No Starwood references since before Arbcom. I improve in March of 2008 to satisfy notability & orphaned tags, no Starwood related edits.
- Armor & Sturtevant – created Sept. 18th, 2006. Lots of work up to May of 2007; last edit by me May 7th: removed clean-up prod due to major work by User:Badagnani. Starwood mention only in Past performances section, linked to its article by User:Badagnani
- Badi Assad – created Mar. 8th, 2007. No Starwood connection or mention at all. Only edits March 7th, 2008 to provide citations/sources as per Mattisse tag.
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- Pamela J. Ball – created ?: Presently deleted as per Guy nomination. No Starwood connection at all. Author of over ten books, several by notable presses like Foulsham and Random House
- John Bassette – created December 8th, 2006 soon after subject’s death. Non-controversial Starwood links to performance venue section and Discography. Last edit by me Nov.7th, 2007.
- Steve Blamires – created Aug 15th, 2006. WinterStar mention with citation deleted by User:69.19.14.30, who had multiple blocks and warnings. I never return it, but make some non-ACE related improvements to satisfy “no citations” prod. Presently no links to ACE or Starwood
- Gavin Bone – created Sept. 1st, 2006. Starwood mention deleted by Pigman Feb 18th, 2007. I do not revert. My only edit since Arbcom Nov. 13th, 2007 – not Starwood related. Article not linked to Starwood.
- Brushwood Folklore Center – created Mar. 9th, 2007. Contains a non-controversial link to Starwood, the biggest event held at this facility. Also, link to Starwood Festival website, along with links to 4 other event websites. There’s never been any contention about this article.
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- Baba Raul Canizares – created Aug. 14th, 2006. Since April 24th, 2007, only 1 edit by me, a revert of massive vandalism. Contains a non-controversial (IMO) link to Starwood article, there since before the Arbcom closed; Pigman had deleted external link, but left the internal one.
- Miriam Chamani – created Aug. 14th, 2006. User: Kathryn NicDhàna deletes Starwood and WinterStar mentions without explanation; on some other facts she merely tags requesting citations. I do no revert her; presently no links to Starwood etc.
- Dennis Chernin – created ?: presently deleted by User: Blnguyen giving meatpuppetry as reason, but supplying no proof. Pigman cites this Admin Noticeboard/Incidents thread still in progress. (I find this to be premature; proof that someone on the ADF was a sockpuppet should still be provided.)
- Chas S. Clifton – created Oct. 10th, 2007. Never been to Starwood, etc. Only edits May 4th, 2008, not Starwood related.
- D. J. Conway – Created Oct. 31st, 2007. Never been to Starwood, etc. Several edits Nov. 5th-7th, 2007, none Starwood related, adding citations, ISBN#s, book publishers’ names & pub. Dates, etc. No edits since.
- Ian Corrigan – created Aug. 14th, 2006. My only edits since Arbcom were non-controversial: May 1st 2007 added a non-ACE event subject organizes, May 31st, 2007 added a CD he was on, and some clarifications in Jan of 2008 (changed “real” name to “legal” name, and de-linked band “Starwood Sizzlers” from article on restaurant “Sizzlers”). No reverts despite major re-writing by Pigman March 30th, 2008.
- Vivianne Crowley – Created Oct 23rd, 2007. No Starwood etc connection at all. Last edit Nov. 5th, 2007. None controversial.
- Phyllis Curott – created (or recreated, I’m not sure) Aug. 20th, 2006. My last edit April 2nd, 2007. On Mar. 24th-25th, 2008 Pigman removes citation of subject at Starwood Festival by American Civil Liberties Union, an article (one of 2) by Paul Krassner citing same, an article on Witchvox website citing same, leaving one article by paul Krassner still there, and deletes mention of Starwood appearance, leaving every other appearance intact. I do NOT revert. (But, IMO, someone should.)
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- Prem Das – Created Aug. 15th, 2006. Never been to Starwood, etc. Only edit since creation was to supply two citations on talk page to satisfy citation requests, and remove tham. (should revisit: no one ever placed the citations in the article.)
- Jim Donovan – created Sept. 3rd, 2006. Contains uncontroversial (IMO) links to both Starwood and SpiritDrum Festival along with others at which subject taught workshops listed as “teaching highlights”. Only edits since Arbcom were Dec. 11th, 2007 (condensed repetitious text, separated discography into CD & DVD subsections), and Mar. 24th, 2007 (fixed a link and deleted a few redlinks). No contentions.
- Dr. Strange (article about made-for-TV movie) – created Feb 7th, 2007. No Starwood etc. connection. No edits since creation.
- Nevill Drury – created Oct. 12th, 2007. Added bibliography Oct 23rd (did not notice I was logged out, so it’s attributed to User:76.227.134.57. May 6, 2008 Pigman tags for notability, primary sources and refimprove, in spite of list of over forty books. I supply citations and some bibliographical info, others add more. Pigman deletes notability tag May 9th, 2008.
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- Sally Eaton – created Aug. 24th, 2006. Nov. 30th, 2006 Pigman nominates for deletion based on notability. I do not participate; unanimous vote to keep. Deleted Starwood mentions MYSELF Jan. 29th 2007. Oct. 8th, 2007 linked existing tape in discography produced by ACE to its article. No edits since.
- Robert Lee "Skip" Ellison – re-created Dec. 7th, 2006 with additions as per Neo-Paganism Project request. (original deletion nomination results: 6 keep, 2 deletes with one changing to a merge later in the AFD, and 3 merges. Somehow User: Doug Bell decided the result was merge and redirect, but it only got redirected.) Added references and a link Sept 25th, 2007. Pigman tags for notability and primary sources May 6th, 2008. I add that he is now in his third term as Archdruid of ADF, and fix a couple typos May 7th.
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- Philip H. Farber – recreated ?: presently deleted. 1st article nominated by Mattisse for deletion Aug. 29th, 2006. Results 18 Keep (1 Keep & Expand), 10 Delete; somehow User: FireFox decided the result was Delete. Article restored Sept. 3rd, 2006. Nominated again September 3rd, 2006: Results 8 Keep and 1 abstain. Nominated again by Pigman Mar. 27th, 2008. Result 5 keeps, 7 deletes. (Unfortunately, I am out of town and miss this nomination of article I wrote.) I truly think this one needs a deletion review.
- LaSara Firefox – created Oct. 12th, 2006. No edits by me since Arbcom except April 2nd, 2007 (added a reference) and May 2nd, 2007 (rearranged existing data into different sections). Article has been linked to Starwood is section about venues subject has taught workshops since before Arbcom ended.
- Ed Fitch – created article Nov. 14th, 2007. No connection to Starwood etc. No edits since creation.
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- Laurence Galian – created Aug. 14th, 2006. No edits since Arbcom. Article linked to Starwood since before Arbcom
- Victoria Ganger – No info on date of creation. Nominated by Pigman for deletion Dec. 20th: result 5 delete, one keep.
- Michael T. Gilbert – created Aug. 14th, 2006. A heated debate between User:Calton and User:Hanuman Das about the mention of subject’s Starwood appearance and his work included in the ACE periodical Changeling Times (both accompanied by citations) ended with User:Salix Alba deleting Starwood mention (this took place Oct. 26th thru Nov. 10th, 2006). However, what they left was the phrase “He also contributed to their magazine, Changeling Times” with no idea of who the “their” was. I noticed it on Mar. 23rd, 2008 and changed it to “He also contributed to the ACE magazine, Changeling Times[2]. For clarity, accompanied by a link to a Pdf of the issue, among a list of other magazines subject had contributed to. User:Calton reverts it to the former, unclear version with the notation “spam, spam, spam, spam”.
- Gnosticon – created Mar. 6th, 2008. No connection to Starwood etc. No contentions.
- Grey School of Wizardry – created? No connection to Starwood etc. Deleted and redirected to Oberon Zell-Ravenheart April 18th, 2008
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- Jesse Wolf Hardin – created Aug 15th, 2006. Since Arbcom, I have expanded the article on Aug 14, 2007. Pigman rewrites much of it Dec. 24th, 2007 including deletion of a Starwood link from before the Arbcom. No edits by me since.
- George R. Harker – created Oct 5th, 2006. My only edits since the Arbcom were and addition to the bibliography Nov. 5th, 2007 and a deletion of a notability prod placed by User: Montchav Nov. 27th, pointing out on the talk page that there had already been an Afd on it which resulted in Keep, and the article had been expanded since then and included new books. No contention or comment since from Montchav. Mattisse deletes a Starwood mention from before the Arbcom on Dec. 26th, 2007. I neither revert nor did I edit since Nov. 27th, 2007.
- Ellen Evert Hopman – created ?: re-created by User: 999 Sept. 6th, 2006. Feb. 15th, 2007 User: Kathryn NicDhàna deletes only Starwood from a list of 28 appearance venues. On Feb 17th she deletes the entire list. No reverts or edits by me since before close of Arbcom. No link to Starwood etc
- Laura Huxley – created Jan. 31st, 2007. No connection to Starwood etc. Nov. 5th, 2007 rearranged text, added a section, tweaked. Dec. 17th, 2007 reverted an ungrammatical change. No other edits.
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- Anodea Judith – Created August 15th, 2006. No edits since Arbcom. Extensive rewriting by Pigman & Kathryn, which I neither revert nor revisit. One non-controversial (INO) ACE link, via tapes & CD produced by them.
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- Amber K – created Oct. 21st, 2007. Had a Starwood mention, deleted by Pigman Dec. 24th, 2007. My only edits since are to add a reference and some items to the bibliography on Mar. 16th, 2008, and delete a prod in the bibliography section saying this article contains lists, since ALL bibliographies are lists. Did not return Starwood mention, nor edit otherwise.
- Richard Kaczynski – created Sept 10th, 2006. User: Kathryn NicDhàna deletes a Starwood mention from before the Arbcom. I do not revert, but add a couple references Dec 25th, 2007 unrelated to Starwood as per tags. User: Kathryn NicDhàna deletes them the same day as not really third party (but at least calls my edits “good faith” ones).
- Sirona Knight – created Oct. 31st, 2007. No connection to Starwood at all. Haven’t edited it since then.
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- Lehto and Wright – created article June 28th, 2007. Included list of 16 performance venues, one of them the Starwood Festival. Many other edits in following months, unrelated to Starwood. Pigman deletes entire list as “unencyclopedic” Jan 29th, 2008; I do not revert. No edits by me since.
- List of Neo-Pagan festivals and events – created Mar. 8th, 2007. By April 2nd, 2007 had expanded it to 39 events; yes, Starwood and WinterStar are included. Oct. 9th, 2007 Pigman deletes any that doesn’t already have a wikipedia article, reducing it to thirteen. I create a list of all the ones he deleted on the talk page the same day as a work list editors can use to create articles about them, and include links to the websites of each event. [1] Added Gnosticon on Mar. 6th, 2008.
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- Nicholas Mann – created Nov. 13th, 2007. No connection to Starwood etc. Reformatted bibliography & added ISBN numbers Nov 18th, 2007. No editing since then.
- Al G. Manning – created Nov. 1st, 2007. No connection to Starwood etc. Added bibliography and expanded Nov. 2nd, 2007. No edits since.
- Louis Martinie' – created Aug 15th, 2006. Dec. 5th 2007 and Dec. 17th, 2007 various minor tweaks, 2 external links & created section for them, added “author, liturgist, percussionist” to bio. Dec. 25th, 2007 Mattisse deletes a link to a Witchvox article offered as a citation claiming it is “a related weblink to Starwood/ACE www.rosencomet.com”, which it is not. I do not revert, but point out the error on talk page and ask for it to be returned, which does not happen. Dec. 27th fix a link by fixing a typo. Dec. 28th Kathryn deletes various things, including Starwood mention there since Arbcom. Jan 27th I add a new CD with subject on it, produced by ACE. Jen 28th, Kathryn deletes it. No edits by me since, though Kathryn does minor ones.
- Patricia Monaghan – created Aug. 14th, 2006. My only edit since Arbcom is May 8th, 2007, mentioning that subject is on faculty of Maybe Logic Academy. Kathryn deletes Lecture Appearance Venues section Dec. 26th, 2007, thereby deleting Starwood mention there since arbitration. I do not revert.
- Sally Morningstar – created Nov. 20th, 2007. No connection at all to Starwood etc. January 26th, 2008 Mattisse places prod to turn lists in article into prose; the only list in article is the bibliography. Mar 16th, 2008 I delete prod. April 18th, 2008 Pigman places speedy delete prod notability prod, which says you may remove it if you object in any way. I delete same day, pointing out subject has over 15 books distributed in both USA and UK, TV appearances, musical performance, etc. Kathryn replaces prod, ignoring instructions on it that I properly followed, and says “An editor has given a valid reason for questioning notability..”. Kathryn reverts herself April 20th. Pigman nominates for deletion same day. Two editors claim books are either self-published or from non-notable presses. I list one-paragraph descriptions with website links of three quite notable presses that publish her books, one a division of Little, Brown & Company. Nomination results: 4 Keep 3 Delete. This is listed with banners on talk page by User:Jerry as a Keep result April 26th. Pigman changes it April 27th to no consensus (default keep). Same day Pigman deletes several facts from article reducing text to three sentences. My only edit is May 7th: adding back “divination” as a topic the subject writes books on. User: Ning-ning adds more books, bringing “non-notable” author’s book count to 26.
- Dorothy Morrison – created Nov 1st, 2007. No Starwood etc connection at all. Various expansions & additions Nov. 10th & 12th, none controversial. No edits since.
- Morwyn – created Nov. 18th, 2007. No edits by me since. No connection to Starwood etc at all.
- Ann Moura – created Oct 25th, 2007. No connection to Starwood etc at all. No edits since.
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- New Orleans Voodoo Spiritual Temple – Created Aug 21st, 2006. No links to Starwood etc at all. Added to Aug 25th. Added a category Oct 28th, 2007. No edits since
- M. Macha Nightmare – created Aug 15th, 2006. Only edit since Arbcom Dec. 15th, 2007: added reference section with two references, added two citations per tags, deleted tags. Article has Starwood Festival in list of 12 Performance venues predating Arbcom. No edits since.
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- Owain Phyfe – created Oct 5th, 2006. Only edits since Arbcom Nov 27th, 2007: added some references. Starwood is one of five festivals mentioned in text of article since before Arbcom.
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- Lauren Raine – created Sept 12th, 2006. Pigman nominates for deletion Oct 28th, 2007. Lots of work to expand and improve Oct 29th, 2007. Deletion nomination results in only two votes, both keep. Article had mention of Starwood in a list of six appearance venues until list deleted by Pigman Jan 19th, 2008. I do not revert. I create “Notes” section with Kripalu Center facilty bio Jan 27th. No other edits since.
- Red Dog Experience – created Oct. 27th, 2007. No Starwood connection at all. No edits since Oct. 28th.
- Gabrielle Roth – Re-created article Nov. 2nd, 2007. No Starwood etc connection at all. Did a great deal of work improving and expanding article Nov. 4-5th. Last edit April 10th, 2008: reverted deletion of discography, Video, TV appearances by User:Glorifiedmonkey13 claiming they violate biography policies.
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- Fred Schrier – created Mar 16th, 2008. Improved Mar 16th, 26th, and May 13th. Contains ACE link to obituary of long-time partner Dave Sheridan written by subject and exclusively printed in ACE periodical Changeling Times, with art by both.
- Nicki Scully – created ? Nominated for deletion by Pigman May 11th, 2008. Result was 5 deletes, 5 keeps. Closed by User:Blnguyen, citing meatpuppetry as partial reason (though no evidence given). Pigman states this canvassing case probably affected this decision.
- Bernie Siegel – created Jan 31st, 2007. No connection to Starwood etc at all. No other edits.
- Chas Smith – created Sept 10th, 2006. A great deal of work to improve since Arbcom, especially since subject’s death Oct 16th, 2007. Contains IMO non-controversial Starwood links dating back to before Arbcom. Last edit Nov. 24th, 2007.
- Jay Stevens – Created Aug 15th, 2006. No Starwood links since Arbcom. My only edit since then was a reverting of vandalism.
- Stratospheerius – created Sept 15th, 2006. No Starwood Connection since Arbcom. No edits since then either.
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- Luisah Teish – created Oct 25th, 2007. No Starwood etc connection at all. Additional eork Oct. 27th, 2007. Last edit Mar 21, 2008: corrected typo.
- Patricia Telesco – re-created Oct 29th, 2007. Expanded and improved Nov. 11th. Article cut greatly by Pigman Mar. 16th, 2008. I expand, provide citations, and replace text. Last edit Mar. 19th, 2008. Article has Starwood link from original text of re-created article dating from before the arbitration.
- Trance Mission – created Aug 17th, 2006. No edits since Arbcom. Pigman deletes Starwood mention dating from before then on May 12th, 2008. I do not revert.
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- Harvey Wasserman – created Aug 25th, 2006. Only edit since Arbcom creation of “Partial discography” section with tapes lecture Nov 2007. Article contains links to Starwood that predate Arbcom.
- WinterStar Symposium – created? Article deleted and redirected to ACE article Jan 3rd, 2008. Result was 8 Delete, 1 Delete or Redirect, 1 Delete and Redirect, 6 Keep
- Amber Wolfe – created Oct. 25th, 2007. Contains ACE link in Discography for three Llewellyn tapes re-issued by ACE in the eighties.
Thanks, Rosencomet (talk) 03:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Your comment on ANI
I took no offense at your comment, really! Too close a supervision of an ANI issue such as this can indeed be a problem, particularly when my long history of conflict with Rosencomet on WP is taken into account. Thank you for your observation and suggestion. Cheers, Pigman☿ 17:14, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Rosencomet editing
Please tell me if this or any part of it would be a help, and where it would be appropriate to post it. I feel the need to try to get the discussion about me to recognize that I have greatly improved my editing since the Arbcom (which is even stated in the Arbcom's results with a 4 to 0 agreement), and that retrying me for the activities that preceeded it and associating me with sockpuppetry I was not even aware of is unfair as part of this discussion. I will also complete the list above of my edit records on articles I've created since the Arbcom.
Thank you for all your help and support. Had I gotten more of this kind of interaction in the past from Arbitrators and Administrators, I feel things would have happened much differently for me.
- Comment concerning my editing since the Arbcom.
Here you will find a record of all the articles I’ve written. If necessary, I’ll create one of all the articles I’ve ever edited.
Since the Arbcom, I have written or re-created with improvements 27 articles. They are: Ted Andrews, Badi Assad, Pamela J. Ball, Chas S. Clifton, D. J. Conway, Vivianne Crowley, Nevill Drury, Ed Fitch, Gnosticon, Grey School of Wizardry, Laura Huxley, Amber K, Sirona Knight, Lehto and Wright, Nicholas Mann, Al G. Manning, Sally Morningstar, Dorothy Morrison, Morwyn, Ann Moura, Red Dog Experience, Gabrielle Roth, Fred Schrier, Bernie Siegel, Luisah Teish, Patricia Telesco, Amber Wolfe Of these, 5 have or had internal links to either Starwood or ACE:
Amber K – I posted this one from old notes, and forgot it mentioned her appearance at Starwood. Pigman deleted it, and I did not revert or comment.
Lehto and Wright – had a “Performance Venues” section containing 18 venues, the Starwood Festival being one of them. Pigman deleted entire section as “listcruft” and unencyclopedic. I neither revert nor comment.
Fred Schrier – contains mention of his obituary/memorial of partner Dave Sheridan printed in ACE periodical Changeling Times in 1982, in text of article along with every other magazine he has written or contributed to. Not controversial IMO.
Patricia Telesco – recreated from text that pre-dates Arbcom, which included a mention of appearances at the Starwood Festival and Pagan Spirit Gathering.. Pigman deleted a good deal of the data Jan 26th, 2008 as unsourced. I replace it with citations. He has edited it since, but has not deleted the mention.
Amber Wolfe – contains an ACE link due to 3 ACE/Llewellyn Collection tapes. Not controversial IMO.
Let me also state that on Michael T. Gilbert, due to a deletion by Calton of a pre-Arbcom mention that Gilbert appeared at Starwood, the article had the non-sequetor “He also contributed to their magazine, Changeling Times.[1]” with citation. I changed “their magazine” to “the ACE magazine” with the word ACE linked to the ACE article. He reverted it to the non-sequetor, with the comment “spam spam spam spam”. (I don’t think mine was a promotional move, or an illogical edit.)
The notion that I am only creating articles to spam Wikipedia with Starwood promotions or fighting with editors about it is just not true, and certainly does not recognize the changes and improvements in my editing since the Arbcom. I think this is an attempt to re-try an Arbcom that certain editors did not like the results of. Since then, I have only written 27 articles (my total is about 70), and 85% had no connection to Starwood or ACE whatever. Of the remainders, 2 were deleted by Pigman with no opposition, one was a link to an article the subject wrote in 1982 (hardly something that could be said to “promote” anything), and one was a link to a Discography item.
I have certainly opposed deletion of articles I thought notable when they were nominated. I improved them, and argued for them on nomination pages. Some survived, others did not, and I disagree with some results and not with others, just like many of you would. If you examine the above list, you will see that since the Arbcom I rarely interfered with the deletion of Starwood etc data, though in some cases I thought the basis for it was incorrect. For instance, the Paul Krassner article simply mentioned that he frequently appeared at the Starwood Festival and WinterStar Symposium (insertion predates Arbcom). When deleted, I pointed out on the Talk page that he had appeared at six out of the last ten, it was the only Neo-Pagan event he had ever appeared at, that he had written about his experiences there in High Times Magazine, The Nation, and Arianna Huffington’s Blog (all properly cited in the article), and that it was his introduction to the Neo-Pagan movement which he has now written about as well. Pigman did not reverse his deletion, and pointed out that even though his bio mentions having gone to a Neo-Pagan festival it doesn’t mention Starwood by name. Paul Krassner himself (and I did NOT ask him to do this) posted a letter verifying everything I had pointed out, and saying that Starwood WAS the festival referred to in his bio. Nonetheless, Pigman would not reverse his action, and I did not revert it.
I have had a lot of contention with Pigman, but in my opinion that it is not because I have not changed my editing since the Arbcom. I plainly have. But he, Kathryn and Mattisse will not accept this fact, and keep trying to bring me to task for that which should have ended with that Arbcom. They also keep trying to anger people by associating me with the sockpuppetry of Ekajati (who was blocked indefinitely), which I had nothing to do with and no knowledge of at the time, and ignoring the fact that Mattisse used even more sockpuppets, actually wrote dummy articles and blamed them on me, and was NEVER blocked for it. She has also said above: “* Addendum: Nearly all the above mentioned sock puppets were almost exclusively editing Rosencomet/Star Festival articles, voting in those articles' AFD's, etc. -- Mattisse (Talk) 16:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC) This is manifestly untrue, but I don’t know how to show you the editing records for Ekajati, Hanuman Das, and 999 (and others). They were extremely prolific editors who were working on Wikipedia well before I ever came here; I can hardly believe Mattisse would make such a claim.
Again, this has nothing to do with the canvassing I just did, for which I am truly sorry and vow never to repeat. My point, though, is that this should be the only issue before us, not COI issues that pretty much ended with the Arbcom. I know Pigman, Kathryn and Mattise think that ANY editing I do is by definition aggressive, and Kathryn has stated that I should not even be allowed to edit any articles by authors that Llewellyn has ever published or that ACE has ever sold a book of. This position is not shared by either Thatcher or Fred Bauder, who I have gone to repeatedly when these conflicts come up; they judge an edit on the merits of the edit itself. Thatcher has told Pigman on occasion that I was not actually violating policy (in reference to COI, not this canvassing issue), and Fred Bauder has said that I am free to edit articles even of associates as long as the editing is responsible and not original research. I do not contest anyone on the need for citations and references, try to find the best ones I can, and have improved a great deal in these respects with experience.
I hope this helps correct the impression P, K & M have been trying to create that I am filling Wikipedia with Starwood spam, have learned nothing from the Arbcom, have been aggressively editing, have been writing or editing only Starwood-related articles, or whatever else they wish to keep heaping on the pile. I absolutely accept responsibility for my canvassing, and will accept the consequences. I can only hope that some of you can take into consideration that I have had a lot of pressure put on me by the constant edit-following, accusations, tagging-sprees, deletion nominations, associations with sockpupptry I have not engaged in, and other behavior by P, K & M that has made Wikipedia at times a hostile environment to work in, and helped provoke me to extreme reactions. These are the same people who dragged me through two mediations (dropped as soon as they didn’t go their way) and an Arbcom, the results of which IMO they keep misrepresenting, and the end of which IMO they refuse to recognize. Rosencomet (talk) 19:41, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Please advise
I'd just like to ask again what the best use can be made of the data I've provided above for the case against me. I have posted it to you for advise, but have not as yet linked it to the case. What is best: putting it on my talk page with links, or just to here, or somewhere else? Is only some of it appropriate? Is this something I should do, or perhaps you might? Please advise.
Also, has Fred Bauder and Thatcher declined to comment about this case? Is there anything else I should do to help my situation that I simply don't know about?
I thank you for whatever help and advice you can give me. -- Rosencomet (talk) 03:51, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- For the record, I absolutely swear that I have no idea who User:70.243.80.195 is. It's obviously someone who knows their way around Wiki policy better than I do; I know nothing about Wiki copyright violation policies and such. As loathe as I am to pass up help from any source, I don't know if this IS help and I'm afraid he/she may be angering editors as much as anything else. Please don't make decisions based on his/her zeal; it's not coming from me. All I'm doing at this point is trying to document that in contrast to the impression that some editors are trying to create, I HAVE improved my editing over the past year, and I hope people will not be drawn into re-trying the Arbcom and assuming that just because I am accused of continuing the same behavior re: Starwood-related articles that it is actually so. Also, I have not been contentious; in fact, through more than 50 articles my work was deleted from and nearly ten nominated for deletion, I have either not commented at all or simply discussed them on talk pages in all but a few cases. I also clearly HAVE "ventured outside of my walled-garden of interests" (not that Wikipedia requires this). And I have never even been accused of responsibility for Ekajati's sockpuppetry, which far preceeded and was far broader than my editing.
- This has nothing to do with the fact that I should not have sent that e-mail, and that it WAS canvassing, for which I sincerely apologize and vow never to do anything like it again, and must accept whatever is decided. I just want to point out that this should be the only issue on the table, not Ekajati's sockpuppetry from a year and a half ago or false statements that my editing hasn't changed since then. -- Rosencomet (talk) 17:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- You said If you want to have any sort of future options on Wikipedia, you need to demonstrate -- not just say, but demonstrate -- that you accept and understand not only what you have done wrong but also why it was wrong.
How? What can I do to take back my canvassing? I have sent e-mails or spoken to the people I sent the e-mail to telling them that what I did was a violation of Wiki policy and that they should disregard and not act on it. As far as I know, not one person I've spoken to about this has actually acted to become editors or input anything on Wikipedia. If words are not enough, what more must I do that will demonstrate my committment not to engage in canvassing again? -- Rosencomet (talk) 17:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence
Please update the site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.134.102.27 (talk) 18:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
my RfA - Ta!
Thanks for supporting my RfA, which went through 93/12/5. I'll be steadfast in this trust the en.Wikipedia community has given me. Cheers! Gwen Gale (talk) 01:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
ANI
Thanks. If I wasn't prepared to know what ground I'm standing on, I wouldn't have accepted your nom to run as an admin. Cheers. --Rodhullandemu 20:17, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Speaking of which...?
Was a decision made with regard to Rosencomet's AN/I, or did it simply scroll off again? Pigman put it back at least once, but I don't want to be presumptious, especially as I just want him to act differently, not get blocked, which is where it looked like things were going the last time I looked. -- Davidkevin (talk) 00:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
- I believe it just went stale. He is not blocked but has no contributions in the last couple days. I think I would like to try to work with him, since he seems to trust me. I will approach him about that soon. - Revolving Bugbear 16:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you. I have hopes for your working with him. Much obliged. -- Davidkevin (talk) 06:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Admin Coaching
Hi,
Im highly interested in admin coaching, as i would like to become an admin in the near future and also to learn about an admins roles, dutys and ethics. Following instuctions on the coaching page it was suggested that I contact an admin who hasnt got any coachees instead of waiting for things to be done for me. I was wondering if you had the time to admin coach me, I look foward to your reply, Cheers Prom3th3an (talk) 08:39, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
International rection to Kosovo's declaration of independence - sports federations
Hi Bugbear,
Could you please take a look at the International Sports Federations bit in the Reaction to Kosovo's Declaration of Independence article. I proposed a change a while ago - people have mostly agreed, but not all. I'm not sure whether the disagreements would rule out an editprotect request or not. Your sage advice required!
Many thanks, Bazonka (talk) 19:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
hello
i understand what you mean. However it is unfair when certain editors object to an edit request per WP:IDONTLIKEIT. I will do the good thing and remove my comment. Ijanderson977 (talk) 20:55, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
So, as per your reasoning on the kosovo reaction talk page, it only takes one person's objection to prevent an edit no matter how many agree with said edit? Canadian Bobby (talk) 22:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
That was asking for clarification. I've seen it be 5/6 to 2 and the edit still killed because the 2 were so vociferous and obstructive. There is a very small nucleus of rabidly pro-Serbian editors who who obstruct anything remotely positive for Kosovo as much as possible. Canadian Bobby (talk) 23:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I really dont like saying bad things about other users as this is not fair. But you are not familiar with user Tocino. He has admitted that when/if the page is unlocked he will edit it to suit him. He is not a neutral editor at all. He will find the smallest thing to disagree on something he does not like. Just look threw the archives. He disagrees on everything which seems to be good for Kosovo. He disagrees for the sake of disagreeing. Some may call him a Troll.
Its not that i dislike the guy, i like him when we are discussing non-kosovo related subjects. He just seems to go mad on Kosovo related articles and he acts as if Serbia has sent him to cause disruption to the articles and he wont stop until he has succeeded.
Maybe i am going over the top slightly, but he is by far no means NPOV. Just watch in future. He will oppose all positive things for Kosovo. He takes it too personnel.
Then maybe do I. Haha.
Remember i don't dislike him, i just think hes too anti Kosovo and thats not good for the sake of the article. It could be so better if people didnt oppose for their own means. Anyway peace friend. ;) Ijanderson977 (talk) 23:26, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks ^_^
Wiki stalking
Some anon keeps deleting my comments on the talk page of the International Reaction article, check out the history for proof. Also this same person keeps demanding me to answer him on my talkpage. I have no idea what he wants me to answer about. Ohh and while I was making this edit, the anon deleted all of my talk page. Thanks. --Tocino 18:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
- Ohh, he just did it again. He replaces my talk page with the following: 'YOU DON'T BELONG HERE! GO! FOREVER AND EVER! ONCE AND FOR ALL! --Tocino 18:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
possible personnel attack
I made a spelling error on an article. I spelled Border as "Boarder". If you look here User Marelug has gone out of his way and produced a dictionary definition of my spelling mistake to humiliate me on the article talk page. Personally i find this unnecessary and out of order. He should be discussing the article rather than humiliating myself on wikipedia talk pages. This is really unfair on my part. Ijanderson977 (talk) 23:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
BRC & privacy concerns
Hey man, would you mind dropping in your opinion here? Thanks. GlassCobra 01:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Kosovo
Please add Sierra Leone. 84.134.87.152 (talk) 19:52, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
apologies
Dear Revolving Bugbear, thank you for the note concenring my 3 most recent talk page entries in the matter of Sierra Leone recognizing Kosovo being missourced and the demands being made that Wikipedia act on these inferior sources. I admit the tone was harsh, and I will refrain to the best of my ability from doing it again.
However, I think I was commenting on the edits and not the editor, albeit disparragingly. Both editors were demanding that we act on uncertain news (one even wrote "I want Sierra Leone in the article"). I have been accused of being a pro-Kosovo editor, and in this instance I was expressly finding fault in pro-Kosovo demands, in Ian's case, an editor who is editing this article intensively and if should know better. His claim that he could not identify by looking whether the sources were all in Albanian was disingeneous, and, too, influenced my say. But I will refrain in the future. Best wishes, --Mareklug talk 00:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
User:Prom3th3an/coaching
Please see User:Prom3th3an/coaching Prom3th3an (talk) 02:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Anonymous user causing trouble
User:69.29.70.177 is deleting my comments on a talk page.
I asked him why he deleted my comment and he just deleted that too. 15:48
This is his page. Will you please sort him out and tell him not to delete my comment and edits in the future? Thankyou.Ijanderson977 (talk) 15:58, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you very much ;) Ijanderson977 (talk) 19:20, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the warning. Since people can't read my signature, I won't bother to write it, just read my IP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.70.177 (talk) 02:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Prom3th3an's Coaching Page has been Updated
Prom3th3an's Coaching Page has been Updated Prom3th3an (talk) 10:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Your Offer
I'd be happy to work with you on some issues. However, I'd like to know if this can be done through e-mail discussions rather than talking through talk pages. I feel that my words get dissected and twisted, and any slip of the phrase gets misrepresented somewhere down the road as some sort of attack or admission of "bad attitude" or "wrong thinking". I'm tired of my motivations being analyzed and hearing that I should know such-and-such by now, in this esoteric environment that is a whole different world for those of us who only have so much time to devote to it, compared to others who seem to make it their life's work.
I'd certainly like some firmer guidelines from someone objective about when I've edited within policy and when something I plan to write violates some actual rule. I've had mixed signals about a lot of things, and quoting arbitrators seems to get me nowhere, and quoting multiple examples of similar editing on similar articles just gets me told "other crap exists" is no support. I'd like to discuss this in a manner where the very fact that I ask a question or disagree with another editor won't be twisted into "aggression" or "contention" or some other characterization.
I consider you to be honestly trying to help me out here, and I appreciate that, especially considering the work load you give yourself on Wikipedia. Rosencomet (talk) 00:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)