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The latest (2009) factory / Chrysler LLC / Mopar Performance catalog refers to '64-71 426 Hemi engines as "Hemi - 2nd Gen" and the new 5.7L and 6.1L engines at "Gen 3". Admittedly, this was at my suggestion, but it is now official gospel. I will be happy to e-mail you a copy of this if you wish (big pdf file).

By default, this would seem to make '51-'58 Hemis 1G, no?

"Trans Four" was also an official advertising / sales brochure / fact-book designation, easily provable, see early Reliant / Aries brochures, etc. They were apparently hoping the catch phrase would stick and have positive connotations, as in "Slant Six".

"Trenton four" was, yes, an "insider" term.

You can put back my edits - or not! No big deal.

Rick Ehrenberg

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98.15.218.188 (talk) 02:03, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Rick, it's best to keep any given conversation in one place, so I've moved your response from my talk page to yours here. The "official gospel" nature of the 2g/3g nomenclature you suggested is questionable for the same reason that it would be troublesome for you to post stuff you wrote for MA here, then cite MA as your source, and no, what might make logical sense to any particular editor "by default" doesn't qualify it for inclusion. "Trans four" might've been an attempted marketing name, or might've been a simple abbreviation of "transverse four". A citation beyond "go look at early brochures" would need to be provided. —Scheinwerfermann ^T·_C04:03, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Scheinwerfermann-

Somebody has to make up names. No matter whether I, or Walter P. Chrysler, came up with the 1G / 2G / 3G Hemi nomenclature, it is now used in an official Chrysler LLC publication, as I said. The 2009 Mopar Performance catalog, with those designations, is now available online at the MP site:[1]

Some documentation of the "Trans-4" nomenclature:

1981 Plymouth Reliant sales brochure, pages 2, 5, 10 Chrysler publication 81-1005-1008

1981 Dodge Aries sales brochuure, pages 2, 6. Chrysler 81-205-1007

1981 Dodge Omni sales brochure, pages 3, 5 (with cutaway drawing), 80-205-1004. 500,000 copies printed

Rick

Rehrenberg (talk) 23:21, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

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