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Nobility versus royalty

Hello! Please read our articles Nobility and Royalty. It is a common misconception that they are the same thing. They are not. Best wishes, SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:48, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

All of this kind of damage needs to be repaired. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:51, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

And this plus anything else you've done like that. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:53, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

I am sincerely sorry that I made these mistakes. I was, in fact, aware of the fine line between "nobility" and "royalty", but I was in confusion over how to distinguish between them.

The amount of pages in the subcategory necessitated adding more subcategories--I thought to do this by nationality, but, considering the mixture of people in this category in question, this was a very bad idea. R23$94ACQ3R (talk) 13:58, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. The line is not that "fine". Royalty creates nobility. Nobility obeys royalty. Will you fix all that? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:15, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I will. I indeed felt like I was doing something wrong, and discovered that I have.

The best way to go about this is just to remove the subcategories and put everything back in the large category until we can figure out how to sort it. Perhaps it would be best to start by putting "Royalty" and "Nobility" into separate categories.

Until we decide, we won't run any risky experiments like this. R23$94ACQ3R (talk) 16:38, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

I have deleted MOST of the subcategories, and have put the articles back into the main category. Some work remains to be done, but I am MOSTLY finished. I will alert you when I am completely finished.

A matter of some concern: although I agree with you that my move was a reckless miscalculation, there is another user named StarTrekker who may think otherwise; I infer this from the fact that they seemed to approve of my initial edits by "thanking" me for creating one of these categories, and then proceeding to add people into it. To avoid any confusion, you should remind them of the guidelines in case they try to put anything back or reverse the changes I have made. Thanks! R23$94ACQ3R (talk) 17:51, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

The line between nobility and "royalty" in the Early Roman Empire wasn't exactly what we think today, but if you think deleting the category for Roman nobility who died as children is the best choice then I'm ok with that.★Trekker (talk) 18:03, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm happy to hear that. I simply ask that you don't make any changes to the Category page until we figure out how to properly divide it into subcategories. R23$94ACQ3R (talk) 18:05, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

One category for [nationality] royalty who died as children and another for [nationality] nobility who died as children. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:11, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

That would be a great idea. I was thinking the exact same thing. I'll begin work on it as soon as possible. R23$94ACQ3R (talk) 13:48, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

I've just noticed a problem (this was the main reason why I screwed up in the first place): many of these "royals" also have "noble titles". Of course, the royal titles would supersede the noble titles, but I would like to confirm that this is true. R23$94ACQ3R (talk) 16:37, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

To summarize it better, would this require putting some people into both categories, or would we put them in certain ones based on the highest title they held? R23$94ACQ3R (talk) 18:37, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Highest. A royal-born king, queen, prince or princess can never be classified as nobility. Their lower titles, if any, are not relevant in classifying them. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:56, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

November 2022

Hi R23$94ACQ3R! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. Belbury (talk) 16:21, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

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