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This is an archive for User:Pianoplonkers from the 1^stOctober 2009 - 28^th November 2009. Please post any new comments on my current talk page

Csárdás (Monti)

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Could someone please re-rate this article because I beleive that it could be "start" article now--Pianoplonkers (talk) 12:59, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

 Done I agree it is start-class. It would need better referencing to proceed further up the scale. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  13:20, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Chzz beat me to it, but I wanted to say that that's a very nice article! I noticed that the first reference was to Absolute Astronomy, which is actually a mirror of Wikipedia (Their article is identical to the Wikipedia article at Vittorio Monti). I found

Jacobs, Dick (1988). Who wrote that song?. Betterway Publications. p. 49. ISBN 9781558701007.

While it only gives a (very, very) brief snippet of the book on Google, it does mention the date as 1904, so it might be an alternative. --☇Kateshortforbob _talk☄ 13:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

{{helpme}}The article on King Edward VI Five Ways had vandalism in the chess section. Please see this address and scroll down to the chess section to see the vandalism. It seems that the IP address 94.169.29.199 did this at 16:44, July 9, 2009. I have deleted the comment. I hope that you can follow this up. Thanks--Pianoplonkers (talk) 15:31, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I don't think there really is anything anyone can do. That editor hasn't edited since July of this year, and all of his/her edits have been removed since. Thank you for removing the vandalism, though. Intelligentsium 15:39, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism Response

Jolly good to see that you removed the ofrfensive vandalism on King Edward VI Five Ways. Unfortunately, I do not know how we can trace the user responsible.--Egemont (talk) 15:38, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Boxes on my userpage

By "boxes", I assume you mean my menu? You can find it, and others, at this page. I believe there are instructions as to how to create one for yourself as well. Intelligentsium 15:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Help creating userboxes

Could you help me to create userboxes and to create a related category (for example "This user is a Royal Academy of Music alumni" linked to "Wikipedias who attended the Royal Academy of Music")? Cheers --Karljoos (talk) 21:50, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Drop down section

{{helpme}} I have a table that i would like to insert into Csárdás (Monti). But the table is too big and will make the page look cluttered. The table is here. I know it is possible to create a drop down section with a "show" button in the top left, to reduce cluttering. Could you give me the html text for it. Thanks--Pianoplonkers (talk) 16:45, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

The instructions to make a table collapsible are at Help:Table#Collapsible tables. All you have to do to the table at Talk:Csárdás_(Monti)#Albums is change the first line {| class="wikitable" to {| class="wikitable collapsible collapsed". Please let me know if there are any more questions. Thanks! --Mysdaao ^talk 16:57, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Rating Articles

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Am I allowed to rate articles eg. stub, start, C Class ect.?--Pianoplonkers (talk) 16:05, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, you are - but it's not considered good practice to assess an article that you have written or extensively contributed to. For information about article assessment, see WP:ASSESS.  Chzz  ►  16:12, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Collapsible Sections

I have a page where I would like a collapsible section. Are there any pages on instructions for this?--Pianoplonkers (talk) 19:27, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Collapsible, as it the Show/Hide links, or collapsible for archival purposes, as with Deletion Review? We have templates, such as {{collapse top}} and {{collapse bottom}}, but I don't know that they are appropriate for articles. UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 19:32, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Steinway Model D-274 Page

This page was recently considered unfit for Wikipedia but I have improved it since. Is this page now ready for re-establishing?--Pianoplonkers (talk) 19:48, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

The issue here seems to be notability. Your new article doesn't seem much better in establishing it than the version redirected by Binksternet. Some statements seem to claim notability, but are unsourced and therefore unverifiable. Some material seems inappropriate for an encyclopaedia, and would be uninteresting to casual readers. These issues have not yet been addressed. For more feedbakc, see WP:FEEDBACK. Intelligentsium^review 23:39, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I think, in my personal opinion, that the article is interesting and in fact notable. The general guideline I might give would to review the Manual of Style (WP:MOS) and if you feel that your page is good enough now, give it a shot. :) [Belinrahs|^talktome⁄ _ididit] 00:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

It is a problem of notability. All the info is already at the main Steinway and Sons article.--Karljoos (talk) 18:30, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Classical music assessment page

Hi. I'd like to explain why I have reverted the addition you made to Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music/Assessment. Up to now this project has resisted going ahead with assessments, so i think it would be better to propose changes on the project talk page first before making any changes. I'd also like to refer you to Wikipedia:WikiProject Composers/Assessment which may be relevant here. --Kleinzach 00:41, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Simple

Hello, a bit of cross-wiki talk, but I've answered your question on your talk page on Simple Wikipedia. Regards, Kennedy ^(talk) 18:03, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Ritual Fire Dance (de Falla)

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Please can you rate this article eg. stub, start, featured... Thanks--Pianoplonkers (talk) 15:39, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I've quickly marked it as 'start', as it's clearly not a stub. For a more thorough review, possibly as C or B class, please get a peer review. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  15:41, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Uploading a file

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I would like to upload an mp3 file onto wikimedia commons (a sound track of Chopin's Opus 55 no 1 Nocturne in F minor for its corresponding wikipedia article). The track came off a CD but I don't have the CD anymore but I can probably find it. When I click on upload file, it doesn't give me the option to upload a sound file. What do I do? Thanks--Pianoplonkers (talk) 11:02, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

We can't use mp3, we use ogg - an alternative, free format for music and video. Various free programs can convert.

However - this will be a copyright sound. Therefore...if it is appropriate to the article, ie if the article discusses the music in specific terms, with reliable sources, then it might be OK to have a short clip - 10% of the song duration or 30 seconds, whichever is the shorter. (So, if it is over 5 minutes, it can be a 30 second clip; if it is shorter than 5 mins, you have to do the maths).

Personally, I've used Audacity to chop out part of an MP3 and save it as an ogg.

More info is at Wikipedia:Creation and usage of media files#Audio (for the software side of things), and Wikipedia:Music samples (for info on maximum lengths).

Actually adding the file to a page is very easy - just the same as a picture, really.

It probably sounds more complex than it is; if you need more help with it, give me a shout. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  11:14, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Ritual Fire Dance Score Image and Merging

Do you like the image? I also added to your recordings table. Hope I have Helped. --Etincelles (talk) 15:42, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Really good, thanks for the support. Did you get my previous message about the merging?--Pianoplonkers (talk) 17:32, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I also disagree with the concept. --Etincelles (talk) 17:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Please can you put your argument on the discussion--Pianoplonkers (talk) 17:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

New page patrolling

On the Special:NewPages, how do you get the highlighted links to become un-highlighted when you have checked them? Thanks--Pianoplonkers (talk) 18:04, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Found out myself: click on link in the bottom left--Pianoplonkers (talk) 18:06, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Piano Concerto No. 21 (Mozart)

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Can you please rate this article now that I have improved it?--Pianoplonkers (talk) 17:59, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I've assessed it as start-class. If more of the material could be supported by reliable sources, it might qualify as C-class. Best of luck editing the article! Regards,  Skomorokh, barbarian  18:23, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I replaced the amazon review reference with a more reliable source (Steinberg concerto book). As an FYI, I'm not a big fan of citing allmusic.com. They're just a blog really. The reviews are informal and they don't cite their references. I worry that "urban legends" can be perpetuated if the two sources (wikipedia & allmusic) end up citing each other without ever being verified by a more permanent source. I think the articles are better if they cite things that have been published in print. Girdlestone and Hutchings have written extensively on the Mozart concertos. Steinberg has nice program-note-style overviews in his book on Concertos. For the big pieces, many formal biographies have good information. Plus Heartz and Rosen have books covering Haydn-Mozart-to-Early-Beethoven. Just my two cents. Very happy to see interest in editing these articles. Cheers.DavidRF (talk) 19:00, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

User:Pbgirl

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Please can you look into this user's name as their userpage shows that this username stands for "Poo Blind Girl". I don't think that this is a nice username so I decided to bring this up. Sorry if this is not an issue to be concerned over--Pianoplonkers (talk) 16:19, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

The best thing to do is to drop a polite note at the user's talk page outlining your concerns. You can use the {{uw-username}} template for this. Hoepfully an amicable resolution can be reached without need of admin intervention, but if necessary you can make a report at WP:Usernames for administrator attention.

Just my twopenn’orth, but I don't feel this is a particularly egregious example, and I would recommend letting it go. Maybe request that they remove the "poo blind girl" text from their userpage - the username itself is pretty cryptic and wouldn't lead to any offence if that expansion of it were removed. AJCham 16:40, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Piano Concerto No. 21 (Mozart) - copyright problems

Hi, please read my comments on the talk page of this article. If you need further guidance, I suggest you have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Copyright guidelines. Many editors are at first unaware of the strict policies on Wikipedia concerning copyright infringement. But you really need to take this on board. If you've done something similar in other articles you've contributed to, you need to address this quickly. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 22:34, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I didn't know that allmusic info was copyrighted. I shall try and refrain from using this in future--Pianoplonkers (talk) 08:39, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Um, it clearly states on each page © 2009 Macrovision Corporation. All Rights Reserved. But even without that, everything published after 1923 is copyright unless the web page explicitly states that its contents are released under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License. And even when material is released under that license, you have to clearly attribute it if they were not your ideas or words. As I've told your colleague today... I'm telling you this for your own good. Wikipedia is really cracking down on copyright violations. Take a look at this page. I'd hate to see enthusiastic and knowledgeable editors get into trouble. When editors are found to repeatedly infringe copyright, and disregard warnings, they seriously run the risk of blocking (not by me, I'm not an administrator) and having their edits reverted on sight. Don't let it happen to you. I see that you and your friends have also started a WikiProject/task force on Romantic music, which is great. But this kind of stuff can quickly bring it into disrepute, so you really need to take care. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 09:20, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

See Page

Hello Pianoplonkers; please see my recordings table that I have added to Piano Concerto No. 21 (Mozart) and tell me what you think. Thanks.--Egemont (talk) 17:14, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Nice Thanks--Pianoplonkers (talk) 17:19, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

User:Pianoplonkers/Other

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For layout reasons, I would like to put the "picture of the day" template in the centre of the page but I don't know what code would be needed. Could you please tell me. Thakns--Pianoplonkers (talk) 17:53, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Just surround it with <center></center> tags. Intelligentsium^review 18:05, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

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Ah, but I expect that you want something to the left and right of it, too? This is actually not as easy as it sounds - because we like to keep article pages simple, images are always aligned either left of right, and that's it - that keeps things more 'compatible' for people reading on e.g. a mobile phone, etc.

As this is a userspace question, and Wikipedia is not myspace, forgive me then for simply pointing you in the right direction - the only way to do it is by having a table or a DIV, and centering it that way; see Help:Tables#Floating images in the center. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  18:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Echo (TV character)

In regard to this article, being copied from a Wikia is not necessarily grounds for speedy deletion. The Dollhouse Wikia is licensed under CC-BY-SA 3.0, which is also a license used by Wikipedia. So copying from one to another may be permissible. Granted, the Wikia article may be unsuitable for Wikipedia, or it may need significant revision and re-formatting to be usable on Wikipedia. But in this case, the copying alone did not appear to be a problem with regard to copyright and licensing. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:14, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Ritual Fire Dance

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Can Ritual Fire Dance (de Falla) be rated as a c class aticle?--Pianoplonkers (talk) 15:28, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi Pianoplonkers,

The rating is normally done by the project to which the article belongs. In this case, it is Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music. You should ask directly on its talk page.

Calimo (talk) 16:27, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Your account...

What does this edit [1] followed by this one [2] mean? If you didn't make the first edit, it indicates that someone else has access to your password. See Sharing accounts:

Sharing an account – or the password to an account – with others is not permitted, and doing so will result in the account being blocked.

I suggest you contact an administrator to sort this out as soon as possible. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 17:34, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I hope this user is not blocked, because he's made good contributions. However I have expressed several times my concern about the way the user is managed. Visit my talk to read about it.--Karljoos (talk) 18:11, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Pianoplonkers, I hope you're not blocked too, and for the same reasons. But if you have shared your password with another editor, it's all going to come unstuck sooner or later. You need to talk to an administrator immediately about blocking this account and creating a new one such as User:Pianoplonkers2 or User:Pianoplonkersnew with only one password holder. Sometimes they accept in good faith the owner keeping the username but changing to a new password which only they know. But given this... Voceditenore (talk) 18:42, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I accidentally left my account logged on, trusting the person there at the time. Unfortunately, they immaturely edited my userpage. I quickly checked my contributions and reverted the edit. I shall ensure that, next time, I don't leave my account logged on. No one else knows my password and I am sure of that. This also has no resemblance to the previous issue which has now been resolved! Thanks--Pianoplonkers (talk) 22:07, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad to hear that's all it was. You have to be especially careful, though, if you mainly edit from a library, hall of residence, or shared accomodation. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 06:21, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi. On your userpage it says "I am the partner of the account Egemont (talk) and Etincelles (talk)". Are you operating these other accounts? Or are they friends of yours? --Kleinzach 10:44, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

These accounts are operated by different individuals. As we know each other, we were advised to make this clear on our userpages (please see Royal we). I feel this concern has already been clearly addressed. Thanks--Pianoplonkers (talk) 18:46, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Are you using the same internet connection or different ones? --Kleinzach 00:34, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Carried on from Piano Concerto No. 21 (Mozart) - copyright problems

I have added a table to my new page: Concerto for Four Violins in E minor (Vivaldi) but wondered if the information is copyrighted. Could you please advise me on whether I can use it if I acknowledge that the information comes from Allmusic. Thanks for you support and help in improving the pages--Pianoplonkers (talk) 20:14, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you have done here, however lists are not subject to copyright, only the form in which they appear. If you reformat you should avoid copyright problems. --Kleinzach 00:38, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Kleinzach, something like this isn't a copyvio. But I'm not sure of its encyclopedic value. A Wikipedia article isn't meant to be a shopping guide. Also a lot of these are simply compilations on which the work appears (probably abstracted from other recordings on the list), and on very minor labels. Some of them may even be withdrawn by now. If I were you, I'd devote a recordings section instead to a few highly notable recordings by highly notable artists and discuss the critical reaction to the various versions, referencing it to reviews in the specialist publications. That is more value to the reader than a table which doesn't even give the performers. The Allmusic list which this duplicates, can be given in an external link. On a wider issue, is this worthy of an article on its own? The L'estro Armonico article could use expansion rather than taking each concerto and making a separate article which simply repeats the information in the larger article plus a recoring list. Hope this helps. Voceditenore (talk) 05:41, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Task force

Please see here. Thanks. --Kleinzach 00:41, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music/Romantic Music task force

Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music/Romantic Music task force, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music/Romantic Music task force and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music/Romantic Music task force during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. --Kleinzach 00:00, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Signature

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I am developing a signature but cannot get the right colour. I have the RGB (Red 255 Green 84 Blue 0), Hue (20) and SMYK (Cyan 0 Magenta 62 Yellow 87 Black 0). What would be the code for this eg. #D2B48C is a light brown colour. Thanks--Pianoplonkers (talk) 20:14, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

RGB (Red 255 Green 84 Blue 0) should be ff5400 according to photoshop and SMYK (Cyan 0 Magenta 62 Yellow 87 Black 0) should be f57f38.  Ilyushka88  talk  20:23, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the previous didn't work, have you any other suggestions?--Pianoplonkers (talk) 20:25, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I also suggest using #FF5400. I used http://web.forret.com/tools/color.asp to convert between color spaces. Why did the suggested color not work? --Mysdaao ^talk 20:28, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't know why the previous did not work but this one did. Thank-you!--Pianoplonkers (talk)

You're welcome! Let me know if you have any more questions! --Mysdaao ^talk 20:35, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Click on "my preferences" at the top of the page. Then scroll down to Signature. In that box put this: [[User:Pianoplonkers|<font color="FF5400">Pianoplonkers</font> [[User:Pianoplonkers|<font color="FF5400">talk</font>, or something like that, just experiment. --Cubs197 ^(talk) 20:31, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. All of the issues are sorted and I have completed my signature! Thanks for your help--Pianoplonkers^(talk) 20:34, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

No problem. --Cubs197 ^(talk) 20:40, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey again. I'm not sure why my suggestion didn't work, but I forgot to add # before the color code :) sorry about that  Ilyushka88  talk  20:44, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Concerns About Arifa Muzaffar

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I have concerns about Arifa Muzaffar with it being an article about an biography about an average person. It also has very opinionated facts. Can you see if this needs to be deleted or is okay for Wikipedia? Thanks--Pianoplonkers^(talk) 20:25, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

You were right to be concerned. The article is blatantly promotional in tone and a clear violation of WP:NPOV. Though the subject makes an assertion of notability I decided to stubify the article for now until reliable third-party sourtes can be found. Good eye, thanks. -- œ^™ 20:35, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

They have reverted your edit back to its previous, unbalanced article--Pianoplonkers^(talk) 21:42, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Reverted page moves

Hello, I reverted your moves of Flight of the Bumblebee and Sabre Dance this morning. There is no need for a parenthetical composer if there is no name clash and the title is descriptive (doesn't contain only type of work, key, number, etc). See Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(music). These both have very descriptive names with no conflicts so a simpler title is all that's required. Cheers.DavidRF (talk) 14:57, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Au Bord d'une Source

Please could you help me on the composition description for Au Bord d'une Source--Etincelles (talk) 17:00, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Dude13532532

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User:Dude13532532 is creating many inappropriate pages (see user talk:Dude13532532) and I wondered if action needs to be taken--Pianoplonkers♫^(talk) 14:18, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorted and the user is blocked--Pianoplonkers♫^(talk) 14:20, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Polka de W.R. (Rachmaninoff)

Hello, Pianoplonkers. Thanks for the back-handed compliment you gave me by copying most of Franz Behr for Polka de W.R. (Rachmaninoff). I don't mind. I've now removed the later history of the piece from Franz Behr, because it belongs more appropriately with the Polka's article. Best. -- JackofOz (talk) 21:13, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Articles Which have a Translation Template

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I came across a page written in korean and added a translation template to it. Later on, someone added a speedy deletion template to the article. Is speedy deletion allowed in this scenario? (the page is 팽도리)--Pianoplonkers♫^(talk) 07:12, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

You can't speedily delete somebody because it isn't in English, so what you did was good. See WP:NOTCSD. But I used an online translator, and the article seemed more like a test page. It was talking about Pokemon. :-) Killiondude (talk) 07:18, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok thanks--Pianoplonkers♫^(talk) 07:19, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Mohammad Hayya Al-Sindhi

Hello Pianoplonkers, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of Mohammad Hayya Al-Sindhi - a page you tagged - because: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know.  Skomorokh, barbarian  09:31, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Willie Lu

Hello Pianoplonkers, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of Willie Lu - a page you tagged - because: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. GedUK  09:51, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Just to follow up. Any professor is a credible assertion of notability, plus some of the other work he's done. He probably doesn't meet the general notability guidleines. If you think so, you should prod it or take it to AfD. GedUK  10:10, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Template:Manuel de Falla

This template duplicates Template:De Falla operas. Can you talk to the Opera Project about this, or should we simply delete the operas from your one? --Kleinzach 22:27, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Tag Filters

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When using tag filters, is it possible to select a number of criteria? eg. possible vandalism and repeated characters--Pianoplonkers♫^(talk) 14:00, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I do not believe so, unless you use an external tool (Huggle, for instance}. Intelligentsium 18:21, 28 November 2009 (UTC)